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Author: Phurster
Date: 2006-10-19 11:38
Has anyone tried using Chadash barrels on Buffet RC clarinets? Were the results worthwhile?
Chris
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2006-10-19 13:22
R13 and RC barrels are not the same. If you want to order a Chadash barrel, consult with Guy Chadash first (see retail pages of the board). Greg Smith might also have some insight here.
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
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Author: Gregory Smith ★2017
Date: 2006-10-19 15:55
It's always worthwhile to try Chadash/Buffet barrels. I started playing them long before I started selling them with my mouthpieces.
The barrel provided by the factory perhaps differs from model to model but the Buffet/Chadash barrels maintain consistent specifications for all models. They are designed to play on all Buffets as well as other brands of clarinets.
Gregory Smith
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Author: Liquorice
Date: 2006-10-19 18:21
I don't like to contradict Mr Smith, as he's much more knowledgeable on these things than me. But I can tell you about my personal (limited) experience with trying a Chadash barrel on my Buffet RC. As I understand it, the Chadash reverse taper, amongst other things, corrects some tuning problems on R13 clarinets, especially the wide 12ths in the left hand. The RC doesn't have the problem of LH wide 12ths. So when I put a Chadash barrel on my RC it made these 12ths too small with the B40 mouthpiece that I was using at the time. The high B and C were especially flat, which they are not normally on an RC, but the E and F a 12th lower were in tune. This is not a crisitism of the barrel, but just made me believe that it is not intended for the Buffet RC. Since then I have bought an old R13, and the Chadash makes this instrument play more in tune than any other clarinet I've played on.
In any case, like Mr Smith said, it's probably worth trying so you can form your own opinion with your set-up.
Incidentally, I have recently started playing on a Greg Smith 1* mouthpiece and am extremely happy with the results!
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Author: Gregory Smith ★2017
Date: 2006-10-19 18:53
Hi Liq -
I don't think that we are in disagreement.
As I had mentioned in another thread (I can't remember which one but perhaps it was about Festival clarinets), it greatly depends on which mthpc/barrel combo one plays. The three parts are, acoustically speaking, inextricably bound as everyone knows...and boy, would Vandoren like to standardize that even further!
The B40 (non 13) is exactly the kind of mthpc the RC was designed around - the B40 tuning ratios were horrible pre-RC without the large cylinder-style barrel that they still now manufacture for the RC. The vast majority of clarinetists in Europe and Asia during that time, as well as now, play the B40. It's traditional as the saying goes.
The Buffet/Chadash barrel should work with my mthpc on an RC and the Chadash probably not as well as with the B40.
BTW, how are the tuning ratios with my 1* and how do they differ from the B40 (using the same barrel)? Have you tried a Chadash with my mthpc - presumably one that has not shrunk from the original entrance/exit specs of approx .589 ----> .579 in. (not mm).
On edit:
Of course it's difficult to generalize about all of this because the bore of all clarinets and barrels change, many times dramatically, and skew results enough that it's difficult to generalize. This is the reminder that I always receive when visiting Guy for modification or just talking acoustics (the best in the business re: acoustics BTW). He's not a treasured acoustical consultant to Buffet for nothing after all. He was more responsible for bringing the Bass Clarinet as well as the Eb clarinet into the 20th century than any acoustican since Robert Carree or Renee Liseaux.
Gregory Smith
Post Edited (2006-10-19 19:04)
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2006-10-19 19:17
Thanks Greg, I hoped you would respond, and you did.
It also helps me with a problem presented to me privately re:RC vs other Buffet models.
Oddly, I made a barrel of the same taper you mentioned for an RC, and the pro who tried it found his own worked better (focus and projection). He measured his own, showing a significantly different inlet and outlet bore.
We are not alone.Trumpeters go through the same machinations when dealing with mouthpieces and receiver tubes. They do "fixes" with an electric drill and a bit.
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
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Author: Gregory Smith ★2017
Date: 2006-10-19 19:47
Hi Alan -
I've got these two trumpeters in my orchestra - principal and second - that play like angels and are both human beings that I truly look up to. But during these past two years of talking with them as they developed the new Yamaha trumpet and mouthpieces - well, I thought it was only we clarinetists that rose to a special order of obsessiveness.
If you look at the back two pages of the International Musician monthly union periodical where the Yamaha full page endorsements appear, they look no different than the rest of us. :^)
On edit:
Goes with the territory I suppose.
Gregory Smith
Post Edited (2006-10-19 20:20)
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2006-10-19 20:59
I got some idea of this from an article written about Gil Johnson, late princ. trpt of Phila Orch.
Seems his predecessor, Sam Krause, carried around a Craftsman drill (back when Sears made good stuff) and a 3/8ths inch drill bit.
I think the listing was a memorial to Gil J. via the Curtis website.
Gil was a character....he scolded the students for being 5 min EARLY to a lesson, shut the door on them, and made them wait in a car.
He then laughed at them when they finally came in. A joker or a jerk?...take yer pick.
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
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