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Author: Charak
Date: 2006-10-09 13:03
...It will be my first clarinet. I play classical guitar and own many of them but always end up playing (and thinking) that one guitar I love the most (sound)..so I figure I won't get too many clarinets and just stick with the one with the sound I like most. I heard the sound the other day and went straight to the clarinettis to ask, and it was the Vintage R13...
But after I read the thread "Best vintage Buffet R13?" which is a great read by the way, I am not sure if the one I will order will sound the same...what to do what to do..please help shed some lights. (I have been told that I should get an E11 first and play it until I know the difference before I move up, I must admit that I have never hear the E11)
Thanks
Post Edited (2006-10-09 14:32)
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2006-10-09 15:33
Uh oh
Namenclature problem alert:
Buffet makes a "Vintage" model. That is the name of the horn. They are new. ....unless it is used, then it is a (?) vintage Vintage. Huh?
But a vintage buffet can be old, e.g. from the 1950s, or whatever.
Make sure you specify what u want.
(I have a New (sic) Vintage Buffet in A. I love it)
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
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Author: Brad Behn
Date: 2006-10-09 16:42
Better than the E11, you could get the correct vintage (lower case "v") Evette Schaeffer clarinet and you would be getting a Buffet made clarinet that was manufactured during the "golden age" of clarinets.
Good luck.
Brad Behn
http://www.clarinetmouthpiece.com
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Author: Carol Dutcher
Date: 2006-10-09 17:19
I bought my R13 in 1971 and now I consider it a "vintage" model. It still plays beautifully, the keys are bright and shiny and look new, and except for an occasional pad replacement, haven't had a bit of trouble. Right now I am using a plastic mouthpiece that was made by the Woodwind Company, now owned by LeBlanc. They are very inexpensive. I really like this mouthpiece. It is also "vintage" as they don't make them for clarinets anymore. I bought a new R13 several years ago and my old clarinet felt much lighter to me. So I sold it, and am still using the 1971 model. Good luck in your quest. I don't think you can go wrong with the Buffet.
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Author: nickma
Date: 2006-10-09 19:39
The new 'vintage' is a fantastic instrument. The first chair at the RPO plays one. Amazing tuning and responsiveness. Be happy, and don't worry about what anyone might say about older ones!
Nick
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Author: EuGeneSee
Date: 2006-10-09 19:56
Nick:
That's good advice from Brad about a really top drawer vintage (small "v") clarinet, but, be sure the clarinet says Evette Schaefer, not just Evette, cuz they ain't the same horn. I didn't know about the distinction and made the mistake of getting the one that says only Evette . . . it's an OK advanced student/intermediate clarinet, but not up to the level of the Evette Schaeffer (which I could have bought for almost the same money!).
Eu
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Author: Brad Behn
Date: 2006-10-09 20:30
There are many different Evette Schaeffer clarinets, and it can be very confusing to find the right vintage. But when you do get the right one, it is a terrific horn, and because they are not a "pro" brand, they don't cost very much money at all. The key is to do the proper research and if at all possible, play test the horn before purchasing it.
There are many threads regarding Evette & Schaeffer on this bulletin board that will help. I recently emailed a memeber of this community who seems to be an expert on the subject and he was kind enough to reply to me both in private and on a recent thread.
http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?f=1&i=62788&t=62788
Thanks Jack!
As for the newer Vintage R13, I used to own one. I played it professionally for a couple of years and I found it a very good clarinet but not as flexible in sound and intonation as the instruments of the "golden years." I much prefer the older designs. It is worth noting that this modern rendition is in many ways very different in design than anything Buffet produced before. It is not an accurate copy of the "golden year's" design. On the other hand, I can easily imagine that many people will prefer this instrument to anything else Buffet produces.
Brad Behn
http://www.clarinetmouthpiece.com
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Author: Koo Young Chung
Date: 2006-10-10 02:32
I wish clarinet makers didn't use generic model names like
vintage,legacy etc.It's so confusing.
It's like naming your clarinet "Excellent" or "Very good"
Use common sense!
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Author: Gregory Smith ★2017
Date: 2006-10-10 03:18
Perhaps this is just another example of the misleading influence of ad copy - reaching a feverish pitch as it has of late.
Both the RC and Vintage models were designed by modern Buffet acousticians as a "tip of the hat" to Robet Carree and the older R13's respectively.
The RC was not designed by Robert Carree (but is nonetheless a modified polycylindrical clarinet).
The Vintage was not designed to be an exact replica of the older R13's and, with few exceptions, their inherent acoustical drawbacks (most importantly intonation).
Gregory Smith
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Author: Charak
Date: 2006-10-10 07:17
Dear All,
I couldn't thank you all enough for the valuable information posted. It is hard to find people with this specific knowledge in Thailand. (Even finding a people who play clarnet is hard!!)
I visit the all dealers of Buffet, Selmer, Leblanc and Yamaha here and they all say their products are the best but none could really explain how "best" their products really are, especially from the musical perspective and mechanical perspective. And I cannot locate any dealer for the Evette Schaeffer in Bangkok.
As for the Model R13 Vintage (NEW), the only set of spec I could find is from Buffet's website (like the pictures on the first page) and it only said that the tone holes have been raised and the bell is a little longer than standard R13 model. Silver plated keys are also standard for the new Buffet VT model. The mouthpiece and ligature is provided and I intend to use them until I know what I want then will probably end up reading the thread "You know you play too long when...." this will be the last time I buy the mouthpiece...hahahah..hilarious thread there too. Oh and it will come with two barrels too. But the dealer does not carry one, so the try-out is not an option for me. I will have to let fate choose "the first one" for me.
Lastly, after reading many interesting threads here, I find that my goal to have only one clarinet is not attainable !!! and will probably end up having as many as my limited resource is allowed.
Cheers and thank you all again for your time.
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Author: BobD
Date: 2006-10-10 10:35
"raised" or "fraised"?? There is a difference.
Bob Draznik
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Author: Charak
Date: 2006-10-11 01:54
Dear Bob, It said "raised" in the buffet website. Frankly I don't know what it does to sound but reckon it might create easier finger placement for those holes.
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Author: L. Omar Henderson
Date: 2006-10-11 02:54
I have a 2000 Buffet Vintage R-13 and it plays very much like other modern R-13's with slightly better intonation (my horn anyway) but it has been extensively tweaked. The modifications of tone hole "raising" are compensated for by tone hole size. The sound from the tone hole is based on the chimney height and tone hole size as well as undercutting and pad height and pad material (yes, material in my book makes a difference). Raising the chimney means decreasing the tone hole size slightly. As with any clarinet it must be a fit to the player, mouthpiece, reed, ligature, and barrel. The clarinet is an integrated mechanism and any change often necessitates other modifications throughout the horn. If possible I would try a bunch of R-13's (and have a competent professional or teacher help you), Buffet Festivals, along with examples of the Vintage. I would not discount the Yamaha CSG and CSGH, Selmer Signature, and new Backun LeBlanc models either. Have fun on your adventure of getting a new clarinet!
L. Omar Henderson
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