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Author: KikBrassClarinet
Date: 2006-10-03 00:20
(This isn't stricly a clarinet question) I'm a freshman music ed major, and over the last month or so at school I've discovered that I'm really not happy where I am. I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions on where to look. I did the college search thing last year, and I didnt plan on doing it again. I'm trying to find other schools to apply to that I missed before. I was accepted into Ithaca College, but i couldn't afford to go. I'm not going to get into Eastman or a school of that caliber, but I can hold my own on the instrument.
Anyone have any suggestions? I live in NJ and am looking a good school in the Tri-state area somewhere, or up in New England. I need to find a good program with a good clarinet teacher. Thanks for any suggestions!
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Author: GBK
Date: 2006-10-03 00:47
Crane School of Music, SUNY Potsdam
A very strong Music Ed program, with world class clarinet instructors.
The best news: reasonable tuition which will not put you in debt for the next 10 years ![[wink]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smilie3.gif) ...GBK (Crane '71)
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2006-10-03 05:13
"The best news: reasonable tuition which will not put you in debt for the next 10 years"
Just out of curiousity, what is considered a reasonable tuition in the USA?
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Author: GBK
Date: 2006-10-03 05:33
SUNY Potsdam:
Tuition and fees: $5,289 in-state, $11,549 out-of-state
Room/board: $7,670
...GBK
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Author: Imperial Zeppelin
Date: 2006-10-03 13:00
Yes, our Euroopean brothern even think US "reasonable" is unbelievable "dear," but then again, in the US we don't know the true definition of taxes in a European sense...
We spent some time living in Ireland and friends of ours were bemoaning the fact that their son would be attending Queens in Belfast (UK) so they would have to pay a very, very "dear" yearly tuition bill, instead of free tuition if he had attended Trinity in Dublin (Ireland).
Very, very "dear" was 1200 (one thousand, two hundred) Euros!!!
It took a while for my wife and I to get off the floor and compose ourselves from lauging so loudly...
Another friend who just moved from Northern Ireland to the US and will probably stay here had a rough moment too when I asked him if he had started a college fund for his 3 children. He said yes to which I reminded him that he better be thinking 6 figures in the fund. At that point he turned white and, to make sure he understood, I said, "Six figures EACH." He started laughing thinking I was joking so I took him aside and instructed him in US College Tuition, 101...
Talk about sticker shock!
Post Edited (2006-10-03 13:01)
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Author: David Peacham
Date: 2006-10-03 14:51
Imperial Zeppelin gives a rather outdated view of how cheap it is to study in Europe, at least so far as England is concerned.
Birmingham University, which is a typical good-but-not-excellent English university, tells students to budget for £3000 annual rent. This is not way out of line with the room/board costs quoted by GBK. From 2007, they expect to be charging £3000 per year in fees as well, very similar to the fee GBK quotes. That's for British students; it'd be much more for foreigners.
The reason this seems expensive to us is that back in the good old days, tuition was free, and most students were largely supported by a government grant, albeit means-tested on parental income.
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2006-10-03 15:13
"our Euroopean brothern even think US "reasonable" is unbelievable "dear," but then again, in the US we don't know the true definition of taxes in a European sense..."
The old social vs. liberal..... I prefer the former. But some places in Europe (at least in England) are not that cheap. One teacher of mine who was lucky to get a full scholarship to Cambridge university told us the full tuition would be around 20,000 GBP a year (maybe not exact but I think it is something like that, maybe David Peacham or another English can correct me?).
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Author: David Peacham
Date: 2006-10-03 15:39
clarnibass - undergraduate fees for Cambridge depend on subject, and are paid partly to the University and partly to the college: http://www.cam.ac.uk/admissions/undergraduate/international/costs.html
These fees are for foreign students - home students pay less.
When I was there, 1975-78, it was free.
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Author: msloss
Date: 2006-10-04 03:54
Not sure how most of this "input" really helps this student. KikBrass asked for school recommendations in NY tri-state. There are programs all over, particularly if you expand your search to cover Boston to DC. However, keeping it at home for a moment, look at some of the smaller schools like Rider (Westminster). As an Ed major you might find something interesting there and Jerry Rife is good people. Also give William Paterson U a look. Ed program and Andy Lamy and Miriam Lockhart are adjunct faculty. Reach down to UDel and you get Marianne Gylthfeldt.
At any rate, an amazing array of teachers and some decent programs. Look 'em up, take some lessons, and see what resonates.
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Author: mnorswor
Date: 2006-10-04 06:15
If you'd like to email me privately, I'd be happy to talk to you about the schools here in Boston.
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Author: CEC
Date: 2006-10-04 18:10
Another vote for SUNY Potsdam. My best friend teaches composition there and he has spoken very highly of the Ed department.
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Author: KikBrassClarinet
Date: 2006-10-05 20:59
Thanks for your help guys. I actually looked at SUNY Potsdam and enjoyed the school, but the clarinet prof and I just didn't hit it off. Nice guy and an awesome player, just personality differences. They do have an excellent program with excellent faculty though, I was very impressed. It's also about an 8 hour drive from where I live...makes for a loooonnnggg car ride. Thanks for your help!!
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