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Author: kellyjellibellibean
Date: 2006-09-28 00:42
hi! i am in search of a new mouthpiece and have used vandoren before. i have many solos in a local orchestra and am looking for a mouthpiece that produces a pretty open/dark tone with good projection. i've been looking at the M15 and 5RV and need advice on which one is more suitable. Any other suggestions on any other mouthpieces, vandoren or not, that project well and are good for orchestra/solo playing?
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Author: D Dow
Date: 2006-09-28 00:45
The M15 would no doubt give you better projection over the 5Rv which I feel has a very airy and thin chalumeau register. The other thing to do is to try one first before purchasing so you know how it plays etc. al
David Dow
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Author: LarryBocaner ★2017
Date: 2006-09-28 01:07
Another vote for the M15, here! You might also want to try the B40lyre -- I have a couple of students using them with very good results!
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Author: sinkdraiN
Date: 2006-09-28 01:19
The M15 is one of my favorite mouthpieces in the Vandoren line. It's a popular mouthpiece for a reason.
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Author: DHsu87
Date: 2006-09-28 04:30
I also like the M15. I haven't experimented too much with mouthpieces, but of the ones I have, I like this one the best.
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Author: ElBlufer
Date: 2006-09-28 05:31
If you would like to look into other mouthpieces (and if you can afford it), I would look into either the Clark Fobes Mouthpieces or the Walter Grabner Mouthpieces (www.clarinetxpress.com). Both of these mouthpiece makers are great, but be forewarned that they are more expensive than vandorens. Good luck in your search for "the" mouthpiece!
My Setup:
R13 Clarinet (Ridenour Lyrique as my backup/marching instrument)
Walter Grabner K11 mouthpiece
Rico Reserve 3.5's
Bonade ligature
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Author: 2E
Date: 2006-09-28 07:35
The best way to find out is to play both of them for yourself. Play your current mouthpiece for 5 mins first and then 5 mins on each of the vandorens. The best answer to your question is from yourself! good luck :p
2E
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2006-09-28 11:48
I've used both and like both - though I have settled with the M15.
I sold my 5RV Lyre to someone who benefits from it - they were struggling with a B45 previously.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2006-09-28 13:06
No experience with M's 15 or other, but had an old O'Brien glass refaced to a 5RVL facing which on some cls plays well. I also have a VD 11.6 which seems very similar, and have rec'd these facings to advancing students, viewing these as "middle-of-the-road", preferring the more open. Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: Bob Phillips
Date: 2006-09-28 15:40
If you're about to order a batch of mouthpieces, have them toss in a Vandoren M30/13. Put a whole lot of it in your mouth (or it won't get the high notes) and give it a try.
Bob Phillips
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Author: John Scorgie
Date: 2006-09-28 19:59
As the above postings reflect, most of us who have played both of these fine mpcs prefer the M15 over the 5RV.
The M15 has a much longer facing than the 5RV. Some would call the M15 a German style facing.
Reeds which work well with the 5RV will sort of work on the M15, but will be too soft for optimal results, so please ensure that the reeds you use to test the M15 (or any other close / long facing mpc) are strong enough.
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Author: clarinetmc
Date: 2006-09-28 23:37
I played on the M1513 for about five years...It is a really good mouthpiece.
If you want a "magical" mouthpiece...try the Richard Hawkins "R" model. It is incredible...plays with a huge sound that will stay focused. I absolutely love it...It does require a harder reed though...but it sounds great!
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Author: Iceland clarinet
Date: 2006-10-29 02:03
If you want a mouthpiece with good projection I would suggest eather Walter Grabner's AW1-pers or Charles Bay mouthpieces. Bay project a bit more than Grabner although. You might also want to try the Lomax symphony mouthpice which has a metal ring. I didn't like the sound of the Lomax but you might. They project even more than Bay or Grabner but I don't think people need to play that lood ever and the tone was a litle bit all over the place. But it could work for you.
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Author: Rhythmacres
Date: 2006-10-30 01:39
I haven't tried the 5RV, but have a student with the M15. I thought her sound was kind of thin and hollow. I tried it and had the same result. She tried a sample mouthpiece I had--the Debut from Clark and Fobes, and she loved it. She ordered it. It's plastic, but still, I'd play on it. It's very inexpensive, too. I think about $30.
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Author: Iceland clarinet
Date: 2006-10-30 19:01
I don't like the Vandoren at all very bright tone and also not as reed friendly as say Bay or Grabner. And the worst thing also is that you can take maybe 2-4 copies of 5RV mouthpieces and they all sound about the same. With Grabner or Bay you can choose how much resistance you want and there are also a little bit color differents between two copies of the same model. I find also that Vadoren dosen't project enough for orchestra playing. And you might say that Bay or Grabner are like 2-3 times more expensive but I say you get more playable reeds in a box don't need to adjust them as much and after a 1-2 year you have payed up the mouthpiece. I have also one suggestion if your bugget is tight try Bay Nuance it's about 50% cheaper but it doesn't project as much as the professional Bay models.
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Author: SVClarinet09
Date: 2006-10-30 19:28
I personally play on the C85 line by Selmer Paris. They work wonders for me. They are twice the cost of Vandorens but to me are the best mass-produced mouthpieces.
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Author: Detru Cofidin
Date: 2006-10-31 02:42
Out of those two, I would choose the M15 in a heart beat, but why not consider another MP from Vandoren? The M13 lyre is a very nice MP for orchestral playing. I would try that one out, or even the M30 (which I usually play).
Nicholas Arend
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Author: MaDxClArInAtOr
Date: 2006-10-31 04:07
i used to play a 5RV Lyre. switched to the M15 - best decision. projection is great. articulation is crisp. truly a great MP
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Author: sherman
Date: 2006-11-01 01:54
The most wonderful thing about mouthpieces is the extension of endless amounts of time as you try them, switch them, then switch reeds each for the other. The process can go on endlessly.
After breaking what was an apparent crystal from heaven or the environs thereof, I stumbled on Van Doren mouthpieces. They are a playing mouthpiece however they share a certain high frequency which we tend to call bright and while the facings differ, they all have that quality, or call it edge. I know this because of so many years of playing different Van Doren mouthpieces, including most of them. Then I stumbled on a mouthpiece, an old one that I received inadvertantly , a Gennusa, which seemed to me to be much less edgy or bright than any other mouthpiece I had played. Investigation of this mouthpiece showed that Mr Gennusa,esteemed Principal of the Baltimore Orchestra for many years had experimented with the mix he used for the hard rubber resulting in a quality that is different than either Van Doren or the Zinner, and for me, preferable. This mouthpiece I had copied for me by Ben Redwine, himself a student of Gennusa and now owner of the Gennusa Company. For me, an excellent copy and with a sound that is never objectionable and a mouthpiece that accepts more reeds than any I have played. These criteria then are mine, for those who
who seem to suggest trying this and then that I offer them to the readers of this thread. Sound, Response, Reed acceptibility, and Range. (There are others, but one must choose)
Perhaps these criteria may be something to consider in choosing which one . But do not keep switching because life is simply not that long.
Stay well, all
Sherman Friedland
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