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Author: questionare
Date: 2000-05-23 12:08
Hey,I was wondering if anyone could describe the pattern for the turn, you know, the little ~ (that's the closest symbol I could find) when you are playing older pieces. Any clues? Thanks!
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Author: Dave Lee Ennis
Date: 2000-05-23 12:32
I can hear a thousand responses coming in for this one. For a turn, you play the note above the one that is written first, then the note shown, then the note below, then the note shown. All of this has to be done within the time that the one note written occupies. For example, if the note is a crotchet, you play 4 semiquavers in the order I've just given.
The notes above and below by the way, are the notes above and below in the key(scale) that the piece you're playing is in. The only exception to that rule is if there is a sharp or flat symbol above the turn symbol.
Confused? Even I am! This disadvantage with the internet is that I can't demonstrate anything with sound. That would be the easiest way to make you understand.
I'm sure someone out there will give you a better description of it though. Over to you guys.....
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2000-05-23 14:11
Please check right here (do a search). The basic thing - do a turn in the direction of the sign:
<PRE>
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/ - go up, down, up.
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/ - go down, up, down.
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Author: Dee
Date: 2000-05-23 14:14
In addition to searching the board as Mark suggested, get a copies of the Rubank Advanced Volume I and Volume II. They show turns, inverted turns and the basic timing of the notes within a turn. I think the Klose Complete Method also shows this information.
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Author: Hiroshi
Date: 2000-05-24 07:42
Your markings seems Mordent.This is from the lower tone.
There is also invereted Mordent. This is from the upper tone.
As to trill, for music before and including Mozart trill starts generally from the upper tone.
On still more older music's ornamentation, there are several books. I have one by Hans Martin Linde(a famous recorder player).
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Author: Dee
Date: 2000-05-24 12:00
Thanks. I still can't participate regularly though as I don't have my computer, etc set up at home yet so I can only duck in now and then during a break at work.
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Author: paul
Date: 2000-05-24 17:03
The Langenus Book 2 has turns in it, too.
Normal turn as described above is up, note, down, note in the key. The inverted turn (written with the sideways "S" upside down) is legal, too. Played down, note, up, note. The accidental markings indicate upper marking up note, and lower marking down note. The accidental in the turn does not affect the rest of the measure like typical accidental markings. Remember, the turn is an embellishment (like grace notes, mordents, etc.). If you are a novice and you can't play the embellishment correctly in time, either take the time to practice it to get it right or skip it and move on in the music. Some of my most challenging turns involve the throat keys and lower clarion register. They can be done in time and smoothly, but they are real knuckle busters. It can sound really nice if played properly in the piece. Great for drill work. Just remember that mordents are "one blip" trills. Hit the trill sequence only once. A very nice embellishment to the music and played in jazz more often than many folks think.
Many folks may think that they have not heard a turn played in music and some other folks often assume that turns belong only to classical music. Not true in either case. Listen carefully to Kenny G's contemporary and very popular music. It's chock full of turns and other embellishments. The person who plays complex embellishments this smoothly is bound to be successful, IMHO.
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Author: Dave Lee Ennis
Date: 2000-05-25 12:32
Dee wrote:
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Thanks. I still can't participate regularly though as I don't have my computer, etc set up at home yet so I can only duck in now and then during a break at work.
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Well get this Dee. I have NO computer at home at all and never have done. Everything I have posted on here has been in my breaktimes at school.(I'm a very fast typer)
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