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 4th Octave C fingering?
Author: kev182 
Date:   2006-08-15 08:03

Hey guys, I'm trying to play Weber Intro, theme and Variations. Theres one variation that requires me to go from a 4th ocatve G to a C and I don't know what would be the best fingering for those two notes. preferebly something thats responsive and easy to articulate as i need to tongue those notes.

Or if you could link me to a finger chart that would be amazing! thanx

Post Edited (2006-08-15 09:19)

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 Re: 4th Octave C fingering?
Author: EuGeneSee 
Date:   2006-08-15 12:41


There are some really nice fingering charts showing many alternate fingerings from lowest chalumeau all the way to dog-whistle altissimo at


That is also a good place for doublers as they also have findering charts for many other woodwinds such as flute, oboe, bassoon, etc.

By the way, many of the fingerings on the woodwind.org site are noted as having been submitted by members of this site . . . a lot of them are from our own GBK.


Post Edited (2006-08-15 14:58)

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 Re: 4th Octave C fingering?
Author: DressedToKill 
Date:   2006-08-15 13:10

I second the Woodwind Fingering Guide, but I also highly, HIGHLY suggest that you locate and purchase a copy of Kal Opperman's The New Extended Working Range for Clarinet (edited by our BBs own Thomas Piercy). It is a tremendous resource in finding fingerings that work best for your particular instrument (be aware that not all fingerings work on all horns, or a fingering that DOES work one day won't work if you switch reeds or mouthpieces), so it's helpful to have a database of alternate fingerings for these notes in your head.

I believe Van Cott has it, among others.

Just my shiny two pennies :-)

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 Re: 4th Octave C fingering?
Author: GBK 
Date:   2006-08-15 13:31

Beware - The Opperman fingering book has some misprints and mistakes. They are fairly obvious, but still incorrect.

Perhaps a future edition has remedied these. My edition is 2004.

Opperman's book is still something which should be in your personal library, along with Ridenour's and Sim's.

Peter Hadcock's book also has an invaluable fingering and tuning section ...GBK

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 Re: 4th Octave C fingering?
Author: Bob Phillips 
Date:   2006-08-15 15:09

Play the G with first finger left hand (with the thumb and reg key and the Eb under your right finger)

Add first finger of your right hand to get the high C --its not simple. Throat, tongue height, lower lip position, ....

Bob Phillips

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 Re: 4th Octave C fingering?
Author: Chris P 
Date:   2006-08-15 16:43

I use Th.Sp.xoo|xoo F#/C# for altissimo C.

Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010

The opinions I express are my own.

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 Re: 4th Octave C fingering?
Author: kev182 
Date:   2006-08-16 08:29

Hey guys, one problem is i can't order any books because right now im in kyrgyzstan! nothing will get here =D... i need to know before i get back to the states

I was experimenting yesterday and found the fingering Chris P mentioned.. but i was fingering high G with xox|xox(Eb) and then going to xoo|xoo(Eb)...not soo hard, but not a very pretty sound hehe! BTW Chris what do you mean by "Sp."?

I'll try G with only first finger of my left hand like you reccomended, may be easier

any other altissimo C fingerings?

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 Re: 4th Octave C fingering?
Author: clarnibass 
Date:   2006-08-16 08:47

I use almost the same fingering as Bob Phillips suggests, but also add the throat G# key. I don't add the pinky Eb key if I remember correct. "Sp." means the register key.

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 Re: 4th Octave C fingering?
Author: Ralph G 
Date:   2006-08-16 13:29

Pardon my ignorance, but I played this piece in a church recital earlier this year, and I don't recall having to jump up that high. I assume I had some watered-down edition. Are we talking about a C7? Where is it?


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 Re: 4th Octave C fingering?
Author: kev182 
Date:   2006-08-16 16:01

There are many versions of this piece. My teacher from latvia had a very werid version =P The one i have doesn't go to high C but after listening to Kalman Burkes rendition of the piece it sounded a lot more exciting. Basicly he just adds a high to G to the F and then a high C to the G and trills on what is usually a triplet leading down. Hard to explain, download a recording and you'll understand =D he does some other really cool stuff as well =D

I thought it might get me a few extra points for my audition...

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 Re: 4th Octave C fingering?
Author: Tom Piercy 
Date:   2006-08-16 18:45

RE: GBK said:
"Beware - The Opperman fingering book has some misprints and mistakes. They are fairly obvious, but still incorrect.

Perhaps a future edition has remedied these. My edition is 2004."

The edition you have is the only edition. Some mistakes made their way through the publishing process. Also, some fingering omissions were discovered after publication. We have also come up with new/more fingerings since publication. We try to keep a list of the mistakes, omissions, and newly "discovered" fingerings. AFAIK - there are no plans for a new edition anytime soon.

The search for fingerings is probably never ending.

Tom Piercy

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 Re: 4th Octave C fingering?
Author: GBK 
Date:   2006-08-16 19:11

Tom -

Thanks for the clarification.

Hopefully a new revised edition, some time in the future, will be forthcoming.

As I previously stated, the Opperman book is a very valuable source to have in one's personal library and any corrections and/or additions would even make it that much better.

As you probably know, I (as well as yourself) have contributed many fingerings to Tim Reichard's site.

Not that Kal needs my help, but I have also collected many alternate fingerings over the years (don't worry - no book is forthcoming) and would be happy to share any fingerings in a future edition, if needed. Also, how about a trill/tremolo section? That would be a great addition, as few books currently have an adequate one...GBK

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