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Author: C2thew
Date: 2006-08-02 15:43
I'm not sure what happened to my post, but here it goes again. I found some tools in my local repair shop and he gave them to me, since he rarely used them. so now i'm wondering what are these tools, and if anyone can shed some light into what they are used for?
thanks
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Author: hans
Date: 2006-08-02 15:53
Some of them look like tools that my dentist uses in his work.
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Author: C2thew
Date: 2006-08-02 16:04
i was thinking that too. but they came from a repair shop. but why would a dentist need an obscure tool to reach for something. especially when it's an S shape.
Our inventions are wont to be pretty toys, which distract our attention from serious things. they are but improved means to an unimproved end, an end which was already but too easy to arrive as railroads lead to Boston to New York
-Walden; Henry Thoreau
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Author: stagehand
Date: 2006-08-02 16:07
Picture IMG_4140 looks like my pad levelers.
Some of the ones with hooks look like the things to put springs back in place.
Picture IMG_4153 looks like it checks how thick a pad is.
That is just my opion about them.
Good luck
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2006-08-02 16:26
Pad levellers
Deburring tools, glue or shellac scrapers
Rod holding mandrels for replacing posts and rods after swedging
Pad pin perhaps
socket sizer (looks homemade)
Of course some of these can be used for other purposes.
The post/rod mandrels look like those avail. from standard repair device suppliers.
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2006-08-02 17:04
Swedging is essentially the act of stretching the "tube" on which the key/rings sit so that there is less play between posts once it's placed back on the horn.
..............Paul Aviles
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Author: claritech
Date: 2006-08-02 19:14
Img 4140 is trombone inside slide spacer tools
img 4152 appears to be a flat spring hole punch
img 4156 is a homemade socket reamer
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2006-08-02 19:59
Nifty socket reamer....I suppose the upper hand part screws down to spread the cutters.
Buffet's socket reamers are offset at the handle, with fixated single cutter.
I desparately need a socket reamer for Eb work, and am in process of making my own. My grandfather was a tool maker for Budd Co.
My other GF was a tailor.
So now I stitch people up and make tools.
Both were immigrants.
Guess apple doesnt fall far from the tree.
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
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Author: C2thew
Date: 2006-08-02 20:25
any ideas of what the picture of 4152 is? it's a nifty mechanism and it says tofflemire-pat
i'm not sure what the metal square is on the coil, but it can be individually rotated by the 2nd knob at the top. It looks to be like a cheese grader or shaver osf some sort.
i need help identifying 4145 the left tool. it looks to have held something, but might have been stripped. i thoguht the parts would require like a magnet to hold, but i tried, and nothing stuck inside it.
also in picture 4138 at the far left, there is a metal triangle that expands. i know you mount it on something, but what exactly does it hold? it seems to expand to the size of a trumpet bell? i honestly wouldn't put a trumpet on it, just doesn't look stable.
most of the tools are broken as i looked at it closer. but thanks for guessing anyway.
help with some of those last tools would be appreciated.
Our inventions are wont to be pretty toys, which distract our attention from serious things. they are but improved means to an unimproved end, an end which was already but too easy to arrive as railroads lead to Boston to New York
-Walden; Henry Thoreau
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Author: bob49t
Date: 2006-08-02 21:32
I can't get the link to work, so can't see the tools, however as a dentist, I know the name Tofflemire. Tofflemire patented a specific design of matrix band holder. the band (metal strip) goes around a tooth to contain in a controlled way, the material used to restore a premolar or molar tooth. The holder then retains and applies pressure to the band to hold it in place and to shape the proximal surfaces of the filling. The whole thing is about 1.5 to 2.00 inches long (37-50 mm). It has a knurned turn screw to tighten the band and a smaller knurled screw with a spike/friction grip to retain the band.
Does this describe the object? and does this look like it ?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/3-TOFFLEMIRE-Type-Matrix-Retainers-Dental-Instruments_W0QQitemZ180013052329QQihZ008QQcategoryZ31471QQssPageNameZWD4VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
I assume that Tofflemire did not just patent one device, but I'm no historian.
Any suggetions as to how I can open the link...I've tried the copy/paste routine.
BobT
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Author: C2thew
Date: 2006-08-02 21:53
Thanks for your comments guys. i think my woodwind repairman used to be a doctor on the side. i'll ask him about it the next time i see him. i wonder if your suspicions are correct. anywho thanks again!
mystery closed. ish
Our inventions are wont to be pretty toys, which distract our attention from serious things. they are but improved means to an unimproved end, an end which was already but too easy to arrive as railroads lead to Boston to New York
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Author: BobD
Date: 2006-08-02 23:04
The terms swedging and swaging have been used for the same kind of metal working operation for as long as it's been done. In effect it's a procedure for lengthening the workpiece whether it's a key tube or a cannon barrel. I have no idea why the different spellings.
Bob Draznik
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Author: Gordon (NZ)
Date: 2006-08-03 07:07
"Picture IMG_4140 looks like my pad levelers."
With all those steps in them? I've never seen a pad leveler like that.
"img 4152 appears to be a flat spring hole punch"
" [1452] looks to be like a cheese grader or shaver of some sort. "
"Picture IMG_4153 looks like it checks how thick a pad is."
No, they are both devices for tightening a band of metal around a molar (tooth) while filling it, so that amalgam does not ooze to the wrong places, as bob49t suggests. I have several of them from a dental supplies sale, and have not yet found a use for them.
"Some of them look like tools that my dentist uses in his work."
Yes, all those ones with long, skinny handles, are used for scraping plaque off teeth, or probing around teeth for cavities, or pushing amalgam into holes and shaping it, etc. They are all dental tools, some of which are also used for making shapes from hard wax for lost wax casting processes. Some of them could be used for very fine deburring processes, or removing excess solder say from post ribs on a flute or sax, but they are not the 'standard' tools used in woodwind repair.
"i need help identifying 4145 the left tool."
It would probably have a slightly roughened end, and is what a dentist uses for scraping away excess amalgam after the amalgam has been put into a tooth, to stop an opposing tooth from contacting hard against the amalgam.
Either that, or if it has a smooth end, it could be for pushing amalgam hard into a drilled cavity.
"also in picture 4138 at the far left, there is a metal triangle that expands. i know you mount it on something, but what exactly does it hold? it seems to expand to the size of a trumpet bell? i honestly wouldn't put a trumpet on it, just doesn't look stable."
Does the top right end of it had a screw? If so it could be a small, collapsible tripod used to mount a camera on, maybe for taking photos of dental lab work in progress.
"img 4156 is a homemade socket reamer"
IMHO this is the only item specifically for instrument repair.
It may not even be home made, as it looks identical to one I bought from Ferrees, Allied or Brandt, many years ago. Even the handle pictured in IMG_4157 is identical.
The tool is made to a specific diameter for receivers (i.e. in the top of barrels) for mouthpiece tenons, which (amazingly) are pretty standard in diameter. It is used, quite successfully for hand milling such a receiver to standard diameter and length, should that be necessary. It is made simply, with a single, sharpened, rectangular cutting bar jammed through a slot in the timber. It is demonstrated in IMG_4158
Perhaps it should be pointed out that using such a tool does have a tendency to leave a rough 'grainy' surface, depending partly on the quality of the timber. For a first class finish, a lathe with a special collet for holding barrels, does a much better job.
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2006-08-03 13:13
Gordon stated:
<<Perhaps it should be pointed out that using such a tool does have a tendency to leave a rough 'grainy' surface, depending partly on the quality of the timber. For a first class finish, a lathe with a special collet for holding barrels, does a much better job.>>
It is amazing how variable this can be. Sometimes you get a smooth as silk surface, other times it rachets like a bumpy road.
For the latter, I have a set of small wheels with embedded grit that I have lathed down to appropriate size, eg. 0.615 for Eb receiver, and use a separate high speed rotary tool rather than re-configure my one lathe for a single operation. I have another step after this, but if I told you what it was......
Looks like our friend has a combo of clarinet tools and dental equipment. I thought the molar bander looked like a post mandrel. but on closer inspection, I am reminded that it is time for a visit to my dentist.
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