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Author: Wyatt Evans
Date: 2006-07-16 19:04
I just got back from a band camp at Texas Tech University. There I noticed many of the better players and even some of a our teachers were playing on a barrel, the name of which I do not know. I never remembered to ask anyone either. It was a plastic barrel I and all of them had a name or brand inscribed in them. I believe it said: C. ******. Im not sure wat the rest was. If anyone has any idea wat Im talking about please let me know.
Thanks,
Wyatt
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2006-07-16 19:15
I have a plastic (or maybe it is a different syntetic material) barrel, that is black, and the name of the maker is incribed (at least if I know the meaning of the word incribed) on it. The maker is Robert Scott and you are right, on the barrel there is exactly C. Robert Scott.
We have a very unstable weather here, and I had a couple of barrels crack already (for some reason it is always the barrel that cracked), so I decided to buy a syntetic one for practice to prevent cracking again.
Post Edited (2006-07-16 19:35)
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2006-07-16 19:44
At the risk of sounding extremely naïve - but wouldn't serve a junk Bundy's plastic barrel the purpose of "practising" too? And if you think it needs a logo, why not take the neck sleeve of a bottle of your favourite drink? ("Cool, didn't know that Bombay Sapphire sponsors our band.")
Uhm yes, okay. <hangs head just in case>
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Ben
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2006-07-17 06:47
"but wouldn't serve a junk Bundy's plastic barrel the purpose of "practising" too?"
I assume you referred to me with your questions?
I'm not sure why you put practising in quotes, and still, where do I get a junk Bundy barrel? None in my country that are sold without the instrument. Just now looked on eBay and none there. I doubt it would be cheaper. Also I don't know if it fits the clarinet. So I don't see how it would be better in any way at all.
"And if you think it needs a logo"
I don't. It doesn't matter to me at all how the logo looks like, but I prefer it to be low key (is that the correct term?) as possible, and the Scott logo is barely visible.
"why not take the neck sleeve of a bottle of your favourite drink?"
I can't think of a bottle (other than a glass beer bottle) that would have a neck sleeve long enough, but besides that, I don't see how would fit and play in tune at all?!
Maybe I answered so seriously becuse I missed the humour in your post??!
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Author: OpusII
Date: 2006-07-17 07:02
It surely sounds like a Robert Scott barrel, I've bought one for my Eb clarinet. It's a great barrel and wasn't very expensive.
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2006-07-17 07:21
Clarnibass,
sorry - I was only half serious. I will try to add a smiley next time.
Re the junk Bundies - I often see them on That Auction Site for as little as ten dollars, sometimes complete, sometimes "for parts". Even with 25$ shipping that'd be way cheaper than a 3rd party barrel here - they can charge you 60$ for a bare-bones model without even blinking. (I don't mean to comment on the unquestionable merits of third party equipment, I just think about the bare "plastic tube" to connect joint and mouthpiece.)
The trade here has built up a considerable food chain, and as pervert it may sound it's cheaper to order equipment and repair supplies from abroad than to go shopping for them here.
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Ben
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2006-07-17 07:54
"The trade here has built up a considerable food chain, and as pervert it may sound it's cheaper to order equipment and repair supplies from abroad than to go shopping for them here."
They have a very nice trick about this here. Everything you order that's over $50 you have to pay tax, which can be anywhere between 15.5% and 35%. The trick is, if what you order is not on their website (nothing clarinet related is) they decide what tax you need to pay. If you want to argue, you can't take the shipment and need to send a note and this takes a really long time and no one wants to do it.
Usually buying it here (most things are monopoly because only one store will have them so they are VERY expensive) will only be slightly more expensive in the end (including shipping and tax) and will not be worth the trouble.... It is a win situation for everyone but the customers....
But I'm getting off topic. I will just say I recommend the Scott barrel and it does exactly what I need it to do (not crack) and was definitely worth the $40 I paid for it.
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2006-07-17 11:35
Ben,
You may have missed the point of using the barrel. The Scott barrels (I have several) are machined out of rod stock. This material is quite impervious to temperature changes. I use a 68mm Scott barrel in very hot environments.
The inside taper is what is unique and the specific shape helps to bring the wide 12th on some clarinets into better tune. I had a problem with a LeBlanc I used to own and Bob Scott sent me several Aa2 barrels that were intended for R13s and they worked great.
Sorry a Bundy plastic barrel would not have that taper and would probabaly not do the job required. The logo has no effect on pitch :-).
HRL
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2006-07-17 12:05
Hank,
>The inside taper is what is unique
Oh, now I understand. The earlier posts merely mentioned heat- and crack-proofness, something every better plastic barrel should be able to deliver. I failed to think about added values such as tuning enhancements etc.
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Ben
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2006-07-17 12:23
Ben, didn't I mention the barrel should fit and have decent intonation? I'm very happy with the intoantion both with the Scott barrel and stock barrel. For me it is not a matter of "tuning enhancements" at all, but keeping the same good sound and intonation while not cracking.
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2006-07-17 12:37
clarnibass wrote:
> Ben, didn't I mention the barrel should fit and have decent intonation?
As far as I can see you didn't, at least not in this thread. You just wrote "for practice" and mentioned the unstable weather...
I notice you edited your post - maybe you edited it away. ![[wink]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smilie3.gif)
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Ben
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Author: Tobin
Date: 2006-07-17 15:29
Tictactux
Clarnibass wrote:
"I can't think of a bottle (other than a glass beer bottle) that would have a neck sleeve long enough, but besides that, I don't see how would fit and play in tune at all?!"
This is the implication that the barrel should fit and play in tune.
No editing needed.
Gnothi Seauton
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Author: Vytas
Date: 2006-07-17 16:25
tictactux wrote:
"At the risk of sounding extremely naïve - but wouldn't serve a junk Bundy's plastic barrel the purpose of "practising" too? And if you think it needs a logo, why not take the neck sleeve of a bottle of your favourite drink? ("Cool, didn't know that Bombay Sapphire sponsors our band.")
Uhm yes, okay. >hangs head just in case<"
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Naive? I don't think so! You just have no idea what you're talking about. That's all. Before you give any suggestion to anyone you should at least have a basic understanding on how things work.
The older Bundy barrels have a huge .590" bore. So, why anyone would suggest this barrel to someone without even knowing the brand of clarinet it will be used for?
(In a 1959 Bundy catalogue, the Bundy Greenadilla wood clarinets were identical to the Bundy Resonites except for the body material (ie. .590" straight bore).
Vytas Krass
Professional clarinet technician
Custom clarinet mouthpiece maker
Former professional clarinet player
Post Edited (2006-07-17 17:00)
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2006-07-18 09:13
> You just have no idea what you're talking about.
Okay, okay, I'm out of here...
Well, just one observation:
> The older Bundy barrels have a huge .590" bore. So, why anyone would
> suggest this barrel to someone without even knowing the brand of clarinet
> it will be used for?
Both my Bundies (Serials 349xxx and 1028xxx) have a .577 bore. My Amati has a .575 bore. Measured the barrels and their inner diameters are within 0.1mm tolerance. But maybe I have potatoes on my eyes too.
I might have no idea what I'm talking about, but I usually don't wildly claim things, and I freely admit it and am sorry when I've made a wrong statement.
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Ben
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Ben
Post Edited (2006-07-18 16:52)
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