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Author: MRidgeP
Date: 2000-05-18 01:55
My question is regarding EXACT tongue placement. I know that everyones exact tounging isn't the same, but I would like to know if the saying "tip of the tounge" is literal.
I myself don't use the literal tip of the tongue. I make contact with the reed approximately 1/8 of an inch back from the literal tip of the tongue and I was wondering if that is something that I should change. Input?
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Author: Contragirl
Date: 2000-05-18 02:08
I have a problem with articualtion... My teacher explained to me that you need to bring the back of your tongue up and use the tip of your tongue, like you're aiming for the back of your top teeth. Personally, I can't do it well. You also have a good embesure(spelling is bad)... Unless you are anchor tonguing, then I guess it doesn't have to be used literally.
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Author: Hiroshi
Date: 2000-05-18 03:03
Set the tip of the tongue on the inside of the lower teeth raw and with this as the anchor, touch the reed with the tongue body.This tonguing is very faster than the tip tonguing.
Toungue is also used to adjust intonations: change tongue level of the deeper part of tongue body. Pronunciate Ah for the lowest register, eh for the middle register, and ii for the highest register.
This changes the tongue level automatically. This technique is used by both of woodwind players and brass players.
This does not become an obstacle to keep opening the throat.
It may be better to consider tongue release rather than tonguing. Sound emits when tongue is released from the reed,not when the tongue touches it.
This is what I learned.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2000-05-18 03:17
Hiroshi wrote:
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Set the tip of the tongue on the inside of the lower teeth raw and with this as the anchor, touch the reed with the tongue body.This tonguing is very faster than the tip tonguing.
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That's "anchor" tonguing, and almost all would disagree with that being the fastest way of tonguing. It's normally considered a bad habit.
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Author: Hiroshi
Date: 2000-05-18 03:21
And I recently knew the tongue contact place should be very slightly changed depending on harmonics in a book written by Charles Neidich and his ex female student(Oohashi,I guess). Best positions change for each harmonics. Sorry I forgot its detail.
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Author: Graham Elliott
Date: 2000-05-18 08:57
You're going to get different answers from everybody on this topic. Most people use the tip. I used to, but having experimented with using the blade of the tongue I found it a great deal better for me. I doubt I go as far as "anchor tonguing", but I have moved in that general direction.
One further point. Don't think primarily of what will give the fastest articulation or even the crispest attack. My guess is that both of those may develop as you get used to any new tongue position. Think of what tongue position does for your sound in general, since the position of the tongue is key to the sort of sound you are going to produce, and often the intonation characteristics. I chose to change because I found the sound much improved with the tongue generally further forward towards the teeth in my mouth.
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Author: Nicole Y.
Date: 2000-05-18 13:22
My private teacher always say literally, tip of the tongue, tip of the reed...and since I'm like an 1/8 of an inch back, I'm working on doing what he says...just some experience of mine.
Nicole
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Author: Fred
Date: 2000-05-18 16:59
If all of us had the same "equipment", then certainly there should be one optimum method for tongueing. HOWEVER, that just simply isn't the case. All of us have slightly different anatomy, and failing to realize how those differences impact tongueing accounts for the proliferation of "this is how you do it" teaching.
I would hope that a wise teacher would RECOMMEND a technique and help a student to develop it, but ultimately be willing to consider other techniques should the first choice prove unsuitable for the student. I couldn't hit the tip of the reed with the tip of my tongue if I had to. My teacher recognized that and taught me more of an anchor style. It wasn't his first choice, but it was best for me.
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Author: Matt
Date: 2000-05-18 17:54
Pino's book covers much of substance on tonguing, including some fundamental exercises. He uses "Tuttle-tuh-tuttle,etc"
as the notion to express.
He also goes on to indicate the relative importance of solid breath control over any lingual gymnastics.
It is a well written book for little money.
Prolly wanna try these exercises on open G or with the barrel and mouthpiece only until you're a little more proficient.
Three weeks in and I'm slurring half, tonguing the rest.
Good luck
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Author: Mike M
Date: 2000-05-18 20:38
Hiroshi - Not to get off subject but...
Charles Neidich wrote a book? Can you provide the title?
Thanks
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Author: Hiroshi
Date: 2000-05-22 03:29
Yes, he and his ex-female pupil wrote a 'Japanese' book.
(Clarinet Exercise Book). This publisher issues other exercise books for flute,trumpet etc, and I found this clarinet one is the highest level.
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Author: earl thomas
Date: 2000-05-22 19:50
"Anchor tonguing is a disease" is a remark attributed to the late Bob Marcellus. One does not talk with the tongue anchored against the lower teeth; so how can one articulate that way. Anchor tonguing causes the tongue to re-enforce the lower lip, jarring it with every stroke. Anchor tongues away!
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