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Author: Lindy
Date: 2000-05-11 13:14
I've read alot about the Buffet R13 and the special models (prestige etc) but very little about the Buffet RC, which I play.
Is this something to do with the American market?
The RC is becoming very popular in the UK (I know more people with RC than normal R13 clarinets).
Is it not popular in the US or is it marketed under another name?
Just curious..........
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2000-05-11 14:00
It's just not as popular in the US as the "straight" R13, but, as you noted, it is very popular in Europe and in Japan.
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Author: James
Date: 2000-05-11 15:46
I have played a Buffet RC for many years. I got mine back in the mid 70's. It plays very well. The RC models have a different bore taper than the R 13. When I got mine, the dealer said there were not a lot being sold, but the people who were playing them were very satisfied. I also think there is a difference in the American RC and the European RC, but I am not certain.
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Author: beejay
Date: 2000-05-12 09:37
I play an RC, and love it. RC stands for Robert Carre, the designer. It is Buffet Crampon's standard professional quality instrument in France and the rest of Europe. The R13, which is equivalent quality, is intended primarily for the American market and differs slightly in bore. Perhaps some of you accousticians out there could explain why. I would be fascinated to know if there really is any continuing difference between the typical American and European sounds. Incidentally, Van Doren also make mouthpieces specifically for the American Market -- the M series.
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Author: Jesse
Date: 2000-05-14 07:19
The words "Buffet RC" simply aren't pumped into the minds of students by their band directors as much as "R13" and "get one." Maybe it's too long.
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Author: Meredith H
Date: 2000-05-16 05:51
I am an Australian and play on an RC. However, I believe the R13 is the more popular model here probably because for some reason it is about $500 cheaper than the RC. I love my RC but have to confess I purchased it because after searching for months it was the best (price vs quality) second hand instrument I could find.
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Author: Lindy
Date: 2000-05-16 13:23
The same thing is true in the UK as Australia, the RC is slightly more expensive (although in my opinion worth it for the tone quality). My RC is second hand too but I prefered it to every new R13 I tried.
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Author: robin
Date: 2000-05-17 14:48
I have to agree with Meredith. As a fellow Australian, I have enjoyed the RC greatly. However, it seems that in recent times, the RC has had a real surge in popularity. This is no doubt due to the far superior tone quality. I find R13s so stuffy and unresponsive.
Incidentally, I have been told that the upper joints of the two instruments are identical. Fair price to cop for a clarinet that is the same as the R13 but doesn't just doesn't have as much wood!
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2000-05-17 15:39
robin wrote:
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<br>This is no doubt due to the far superior tone quality. I find R13s so stuffy and unresponsive.
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<br>Oh come now, Robin, you don't think I could let that pass do you?
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<br>Some people have totally different tastes than you. To say the RC has far superior tone quality compared to an R13 is to say that many of the professionals who play on the R13 have no idea about tone quality. I don't think you really meant to imply that - but you did. I'm sure you find the R13 stuffy and unresponsive - but there's a large group of people who don't - and find your RC to not be to their particular liking. I won't let them slam your RC, either.
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Author: RJ
Date: 2000-05-17 18:24
Mark Charette wrote:
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robin wrote:
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This is no doubt due to the far superior tone quality. I find R13s so stuffy and unresponsive.
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Oh come now, Robin, you don't think I could let that pass do you?
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Mark,
Does every expression of opinion need to have a disclaimer attached:
"Now I am no expert, and I may not know whereof I speak, and I don't wish to offend anyone, and this is not a blanket statement, and I may change my mind later on, but this is what I think."
She did say, "I find..."
RJ
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2000-05-17 18:35
RJ wrote:
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Does every expression of opinion need to have a disclaimer attached:
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Opinion - no. Read the first sentence, not the second. It was stated as fact. "I find the tone to be superior" - fine. "The tone is superior" - then explain your benchmark or don't use the sentence.
Words matter.
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Author: RJ
Date: 2000-05-17 21:31
Mark
I do agree that words matter. However, Robin's second sentence makes clear that the "benchmark" was her own experience. So it is a "fact" for her. (My apologies if Robin happens to be male).
What is the best clarinet? Who is the best clarinettist? Who is the greatest composer? Isn't it obvious that the answers to questions such as these can't be anything *but* opinions?
I see your point, but I think you're being nit-picky. (Notice I said "I think") :o
Best regards,
RJ
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2000-05-18 01:07
RJ wrote:
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I see your point, but I think you're being nit-picky. (Notice I said "I think") :o
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I nit-pick on this point (or harp - take your pick) constantly. I will continue to do so when I notice it.
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Author: RJ
Date: 2000-05-18 02:32
Mark,
Words matter, but so does CONTEXT. Read in context, Robin was clearly expressing an opinion. Yet you take one sentence out of context, and use it as a club to beat her up. Tut, tut...
My last transmission,
RJ
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Author: robin
Date: 2000-05-21 10:49
Well, well, sorry to cause all this commotion.
Just calm down folks or well have electronic punches flying before too long.
I take both your points. Mark, I can understand your concern. I am sort of new to this electronic chit-chat, so just kinda assumed that people would realise that "far superior" was a matter of my personal opinion. I'm not trying to suggest otherwise. Sorry.
RJ - I can understand your frustration, however. It's all a bit post modern and PC, isn't it?
Incidentally, I'm male. "IN" for male - "YN" for female as far as I know.
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