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Question: Kroepsch # 86

Author: Bob Phillips
Date: 2006-07-10 02:41

In Book 1 of the Kroepesch 416 Progressive Daily Studies for the Clarinet, exercise #86 has double plus signs (++) written over the first note of the second measure (D6), and alongside the p dynamic marking under the first note of the 3rd measure (D4).

I have the Carl Fischer edition.

If you know what these symbols mean, please tell me.

Thanks.

Bob Phillips

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Re: Question: Kroepsch # 86

Author: GBK
Date: 2006-07-10 03:16

About a year ago, I initiated a very long thread on this exact question.

Read: http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?f=1&i=175787&t=175297

Several people offered guesses, but as I remember nothing definitive was ever concluded ...GBK

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Re: Question: Kroepsch # 86

Author: GBK
Date: 2006-07-10 03:35
Attachment: Kroepsch.JPG (217k)

If anyone has additional insight pertaining to the notation in question, the passage is attached ...GBK

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Re: Question: Kroepsch # 86

Author: vjoet
Date: 2006-07-10 12:09

I suspect it is an engraver's temporary markup, intended to be removed upon proofing. A similar engraver's markup can be seen in G. Leblanc's "Sixteen Phrasing Studies--Bonard" page 5, the F in the circle.

Perhaps we are seeing the work of apprecentice engravers, with the marks being notations put in by the masters to point out certain things. The F in the circle is pretty easy to figure out-- position is wrong -- belongs on the third beat. Perhaps the ++ refer to the slur mark originally being too close, or not close enough.

vJoe

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Re: Question: Kroepsch # 86

Author: Bob Phillips
Date: 2006-07-11 05:55

thanks
Don't know how I missed the previous discussion. It must have happened just as I started working on Kroepsch 1.

Anyhow, i tried playing the ++ as a mordant; and its cool.

Bob Phillips

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