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Author: bcl1dso
Date: 2006-06-22 03:04
Just wondering if anyone is planning on heading out for the Detroit Symphony Orchestra Chamber Winds performance this saturday at the Great Lakes music festival. They are playing the Mozart Gran Partita. This time they are planning on recording it. They are also playing another piece, I can't remember.
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Author: GBK
Date: 2006-06-22 03:45
Are they playing m.111 in the 5th movement?
If they are, don't tell Dan Leeson ![[wink]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smilie3.gif) ...GBK
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Author: diz
Date: 2006-06-22 05:47
Glenn, you're very esoteric at times ... prithee??
Without music, the world would be grey, very grey.
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Author: GBK
Date: 2006-06-22 06:12
Dan Leeson, who probably knows more about Mozart than any single person on the planet, has written extensively on the klarinet mailing list about the m.111 controversy in K.361, specifically "The Gran Partitta's Mystery Measure" as found in the 1991 Mozart Jahrbuch.
In short, he has thoroughly examined and reviewed the manuscript and concluded that m.111 should be eliminated (as was originally noted by Mozart in the score). Thus, measure 110 should then connect to measure 112. Dan's reasoning is convincing and logical.
A search on the klarinet mailing list on "dnleeson Mozart partit(t)a" will give a week's worth of interesting reading.
Here is one to start you out:
http://test.woodwind.org/Databases/Klarinet/2004/10/000309.txt
...GBK
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Author: bob49t
Date: 2006-06-22 21:13
Playing G Partit(t)a twice in October ...well, look, if we can't play it this year etc etc.......and will consider the elimination of m111 most fervently. If it works for us, it works. Thanks for last link GBK!
BobT
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2006-06-23 13:05
How interesting, GBK, Dan Leeson has done a wonderful research investigation, IMHO. When I re-find my taped-off recording by those superb German [Orch Winds] a few months ago, I'll see if I can count the measures [will try to procure a score] to see how they played it. The many repetitions of that measure should help me [definitely no "scholar" in this jungle] . At the risk of "more gasoline for the fire", it seems somewhat like Wm Shakespeare described as "Much Ado About [not very much]" . TKS, Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: larryb
Date: 2006-06-23 14:04
Hey Don:
The Berliners indeed did cut measure 111 of the Romance at Carnegie Hall in January. I was there and was on the lookout for it.
- Larry
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2006-06-23 14:44
TKS, Larry, may I promote you to "Ranque de Scholaristics" with speciality in W A M's works ?? Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: jcfasanar
Date: 2006-06-23 17:15
I have played the Gran Partita three times this year (for me, the best chamber piece, i love mozart) and we play the Romance without measure 111 too. But i think playing this measure not ruins the structure. From m 112 to final is simply the CODA, so is possible to consider the 111 as a final of anterior section (110=V, 111=I)
Two ways are possible, and for me, acceptable.
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2006-06-24 13:25
Welcome, and Congratulations, JCF, I wish I had both the talent and Bassets that you "pros" have. The best I can do is to transpose some B H parts onto my Sel-Paris [excellent] Alto clarinet, which requires a tube for the bell to produce a decent BH low C. Ah well, I do prefer to hear fine players when and where I can. Regards, Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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