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Author: bawa
Date: 2006-06-18 10:18
My daughter's teacher has asked her to get a new barrel of 66 mm length for her Buffet RC clarinet, otherwise the clarinet plays too sharp and she has to take out the barrel too much in order to be able to play it in tune. The barrel is the one that came standard with the clarinet (bought in Dec 2003)
I have been searching the board, but all the threads that I have found seem to be talking about bores, tapers etc and also Chadash and Moening (which seem to be shorter).
Any recommendations on what makes or models to look at/ try? Also, I don't know if brands like Chadash are available here in Europe.
Thank you. I don't know if it is relevant but she plays on a Vandoren B40 mouthpiece with Optimum ligature
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Author: kenb
Date: 2006-06-18 12:24
Try some 66mm Buffet RC barrels. Moennig and Chadash barrels are designed, in part, to help narrow the wide left hand 12ths in the Buffet R13 - usually not a problem with the RC model.
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Author: David Peacham
Date: 2006-06-18 12:55
According to a Buffet glossy I have, the RC takes a 65 mm barrel to play at A=442 and a 66 mm barrel to play at A=440. Looks like you need Buffet's own 66 mm barrel, as sold in England and other A=440 countries. I'm sure you can get one from Dawkes or Myatt if the shops in Bilbao don't have one. If all else fails, email me and I'll sort it out with Dawkes, but it really shouldn't be necessary; they list it on their website.
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Author: Gregory Smith ★2017
Date: 2006-06-18 13:04
Any standard 66 Buffet barrel will do - especially with that mouthpiece. I am assuming, even though you do not state it, that you presently have a 65 mm barrel and are simply looking for a 66mm standard Buffet barrel.
The barrels for all of the Buffet professional models that come with the clarinet have the same interior dimensions, that of a cylinder. (The "Vintage" model does come with two barrels from which to choose - one cylindrical, the other tapered like the Moenning or the Chadash.) The Moenning and the Chadash are made in lengths of 64 - 68mm's for Bb clarinet. All three types should be available within or mail order outside your country and within Europe.
Gregory Smith
http://www.gregory-smith.com
Post Edited (2006-06-18 13:07)
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2006-06-18 13:24
<raises hand>
I have a question: The original poster said that a 66mm barrel was required and the old barrel needed to be pulled out too much to be in tune. Others suspected the original barrel was a 65mm. So with my simplistic math approach I calculate the original barrel has to be pulled 1mm. That doesn't sound like an awful lot to me.
Wouldn't tuning rings suffice in that case (apart from having the stigma of an improvised solution)?
And, having never seen a tuning ring in the wild, are they put inside the (eg) barrel or are they put over the tenon?
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Ben
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Author: Gregory Smith ★2017
Date: 2006-06-18 14:50
Tuning rings will only lower the overall pitch. The original poster did not state whether the throat tones were disproportionally sharp or the entire clarinet was sharp.
Adding tuning rings will lower the overall pitch without changing the tuning ratios ( i.e. will not disproportionally lower the throat tones). There is nothing wrong with this solution although better results may be attained with a longer barrel.
Gregory Smith
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Author: David Peacham
Date: 2006-06-18 14:57
Ben - tuning rings go inside. They aren't just mechanical padding. Their purpose is to allow you to lengthen the tubing without creating a short section where the inside diameter is much greater.
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Author: bawa
Date: 2006-06-18 16:32
OK, thanks to all.
I have measured the barrel and it seems to be just over 64mm (1!).
She is saying that she has to pull out the barrel at both ends plus bell in order to play in tune.
I know that she has been borrowingone of the Vintage barrels off a friend and that seems to correct the problem. Daughter has two major events next week, and the friend is going away to music camp (with the clarinet)
David, I have been to the John Myatt page and they do not list the RC 66. They also have one called the Buffet-Moenning in 66mm. Is it very different? John Myatt also seem to provide very reasonable postage to EU. But they are closed on Mondays.
Dawkes list the RC 66mm, but do not give details on overseas postage. I am a bit afraid, as some shops charge a LOT for this.
Thanks for your offer. I will send you an email tonight with details.
Gregory, if all those joints need to be pulled out, maybe the entire clarinet is sharp?
Ben, I thought the same as you too, it doesn't really seem a lot.
Note: As a "lay" parent this board is the main place where I get very useful and contrsating information, so apologies if the queries are simplistic sometimes.
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2006-06-18 16:36
Ben - tuning rings go inside.(...)Their purpose is to allow you to lengthen the tubing without creating a short section where the inside diameter is much greater.
So theoretically the tuning ring must match the clarinet's bore at the section where the ring is to be inserted - no one-size-fits-all, correct?
<checks plummrs'R'us for suitable washers and gaskets>
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Ben
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Author: Gregory Smith ★2017
Date: 2006-06-18 17:06
"I have been to the John Myatt page and they do not list the RC 66."
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You do not need an "RC" barrel per se. You need any standard Buffet 66mm barrel (or Moenning inverted taper bore if you desire) so that the clarinet will play at the proper overall pitch.
Gregory Smith
Post Edited (2006-06-18 17:06)
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2006-06-18 19:37
Did you get the clarinet new from a dealer in Spain? Perhaps they have a spare of the proper size. Perhaps a quick buy-it-now from the Spanish version of an online auction site.
For now, most 66mm Barrels will do. Even some other brands, or even one designed for a lesser Buffet model.
Follow Greg's advice.
You can get more refined later (tapers, dimensions, materials, etc)
Allan
disclaimer...I make/sell barrels.
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
Post Edited (2006-06-18 19:37)
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2006-06-18 23:33
Hi Ben,
Disclaimer: I am not a barrel maker, mouthpiece designer, woodworker, or surgeon (but I slept at a Holiday Inn Express this year - American commercial).
Trying to find something that matches clarinet tuning rings at Plumber R Us will be rather tricky. You need to find an exact match for the inside diameter of the lower part of the barrel, an opening that matches the bore exit diameter of the barrel and is close to the opening of the bore on the upper joint of the clarinet, and then is of the right thickness. An awful lot of variables.
FWIW, I have several Scott barrels as well as Chadash amd Moennig barrels (one that was reported to have been reamed by "The Man" himself) of various lengths and shapes; all seem to work well regardless of the make. But then, I was not gifted with that good of an ear.
As Gregory Smith has so eloquently stated, what is needed is "any standard Buffet 66mm barrel (or Moenning inverted taper bore if you desire) so that the clarinet will play at the proper overall pitch."
HRL
PS But then, temperature can play into this equation also.
Post Edited (2006-06-18 23:37)
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Author: Max S-D
Date: 2006-06-19 16:29
If she needs to pull out all of the joints, maybe 66 isn't enough? I play on a Clark Fobes 67mm Barrel that I got from wwbw. It cost about $150, which is more than the Buffet Moennig barrels, but not much, and it was in stock, which is more than they could say for the Moennigs.
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Author: bawa
Date: 2006-06-20 15:23
Thanks again to all who took time to answer...all were useful and made good points. Old barrel that came with the RC was 64 mm so 66mm would make a difference- in clarinet speak!
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