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Author: chazman
Date: 2006-05-26 11:45
Good Morning,
I have searched throught the archives and read several articles and I am still confused with reguard to my E11. It was MGF in Germany and serial number is 43xxxx. I am looking for help establishing the aprox date of MFG.
Thank you all again for your assistance in advance.
Post Edited (2006-05-26 11:46)
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2006-05-27 06:53
The Buffet serial number search is still not working and, since no one else has come forward, I will tell you what I recall - but my memory may be faulty. Around 1981, when Buffet first began using the E11 designation, the serial numbers for R13's were in the 220000 range and the E11's were fairly close - at least in the 200000's and possibly the low 200000's. I remember this because of some difficulty I had several years ago determining which model an instrument on eBay was. The numbers diverged rapidly from that point, however.
I have an E11 that I reconditioned for my daughter to use several years ago. It's serial number was 33xxxx. As I recall, when I checked it on the Buffet serial number list it was early or mid-1980's.
I think that current models are probably in the 900000's. (A quick check of E11's recently sold or for-sale on eBay turned up one with a serial number in the high 800000's. It was either described as, or looked to be a few years old.
Based on that and some interpolation, I think your clarinet was probably made in the mid- or late-1980's. Almost certainly no later than the early 90's.
If you are really interested in narrowing the date down, I recommend you keep your eye on eBay. Occasionally, someone selling an instrument they have had for many years will include the date they purchased it new and its serial number. That kind of information can be helpful in dating another instrument more accurately. I ran a quick check tonight to see what I could find and didn't turn anything up but, over time, you are likely to get some useful hits.
Best regards,
jnk
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2006-05-27 12:51
The E11 came in (or was rebranded) at the same time the B12 had been rebranded in the mid '80s - prior to this they were both stamped 'Evette' and the plastic bodied one was also known in the UK as a 'B&H Regent II' for a while - then it became the B12.
The 'Made In W.Germany' stamp on the back of the bottom joint disappeared on both of them (in the UK) when the Buffet logo was stamped on them, though they were (and still are) made by Schreiber.
They have Schreiber's own system of serial numbers, which is a completely seperate numbering system from Buffet clarinets.
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2006-05-27 20:00
David Blumberg, who is not able to post right now sent me an e-mail and asked me to forward this information to the board. David has a record of one of his student's purchasing a new E11 in September, 1992. The serial number was 419xxx. Based on that information, he estimates that 43xxxx would probably have been made sometime in 1993. That sounds about right to me. (I have also found an E11 that recently sold on eBay with a serial number of 498969. The seller indicated that this clarinet was bought new in 1996. To me that further supports David's estimate.)
Chris,
I think the redesignation of the Evette as E11 actually dates back to around 1981 (perhaps corresponding to Boosey & Hawkes' purchase of both Buffet and Schreiber) rather than the mid-80's. I can't prove this, however, without the Buffet serial number search engine (which actually tracks Evettes back to around 1960).
Best regards,
jnk
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Author: clonestar
Date: 2019-06-29 08:19
I have been restoring what I believe to be a Buffet E11 made in West Germany with serial # 946176. The A-flat key stop is a post on the wooden body that contacts a tiny circular piece of cork embedded in a circular depression on the underside of the A-flat key lever. I have read at least one post which claims that particular A-flat key/key-stop design means that it was manufactured for Buffet by Schreiber in West Germany. The logos were screened on and have worn off; not a hint of any actual logo "stampings" anywhere. The only stampings on the instrument are the serial # and "Made in West Germany". I'd like to discover the year of manufacture for the instrument. I tried crusing the Buffet site, but could find nothing. If anyone can provide an information source, as to where I might find the year of manufacture, I'd really appreciate it.
Don
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