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Author: Brian Peterson
Date: 2006-05-14 00:46
A bit off clarinet topic, but are there a total of six Bach Cello Suites? Any recommendation of recordings. I see Rostropovich has recorded some if not all of them.
Thanks.
Brian Peterson
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Author: genekeyes ★2017
Date: 2006-05-14 01:28
wonderful Russian cellist recorded them on Deutsche Grammophone..I think his name is Mischa Maiskey
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Author: Bradley
Date: 2006-05-14 02:16
I'd reccommend hearing Pablo Casals' recordings, just because they are so interesting.
I love Mischa Maisky, and I'd listen to his recordings as well, in addition to Matt Haimovitz's.
Bradley
Post Edited (2016-10-03 07:24)
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Author: David Niethamer
Date: 2006-05-14 02:45
For a more period instrument approach, try Anner Bylsma (sp?). They are VERY interesting. A lot of bass clarinetists play these for bass clef reading practice from an original cello edition.
David
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Author: diz
Date: 2006-05-14 08:44
I'm totally with David Niethamer's suggestion here (yes your spelling is spot on). I find the heavy romantic approach like pouring treacle over very thin wafers.
Without music, the world would be grey, very grey.
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Author: David Peacham
Date: 2006-05-14 09:46
In addition, it is worth looking out for other adaptations of this music:
Goran Sollscher: Guitar
Edgar Meyer: Double bass
I have always found it curious that the cello suites are played on many different instruments, but nobody seems to make adaptations of the unaccompanied violin music, with the exception of keyboard arrangements of the Chaconne.
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Author: MikeH
Date: 2006-05-14 11:42
I have the Pierre Fournier on DG, an "enhanced" recording from the 60's which is very good and a bargain. The sound by the way is excellent.
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2006-05-14 13:16
The Casals recordings are essential, even though they are very far from the way the suites might have been played in Bach's time. Casals had amazing energy in his sound and an inimitable way of phrasing.
I think one of the best ways of learning musicianship is to listen to just a couple of bars of Casals's Bach and then working to reproduce his projection and personality. You don't want to end up playing only like Casals, but finding out what it takes to do it makes a tremendous addition to your repertoire of what you can do when you need it.
The suites are groups of dances. They're heavily decorated, and it's difficult (sometimes impossible) to play them at dance tempos, but you have to be aware of which dance you're playing and to get as much as possible of the character of that dance in your playing.
For me, Peter Wispelwey's recording on baroque cello gets closest to the dance character, followed closely by Anner Bylsma's recording that David recommends.
Yo Yo Ma's recordings are very thoughtful, not to mention technically perfect. The same goes for Janos Starker's set.
Ken Shaw
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Author: beejay
Date: 2006-05-14 23:17
I second the Pierre Fournier suggestion. But I believe he recorded the suites twice. The one I prefer is the old Archiv production, now available on two CDs as a Deutsche Gramofon legendary recording.
BJ
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Author: CJB
Date: 2006-05-15 17:24
David Peacham wrote
I have always found it curious that the cello suites are played on many different instruments, but nobody seems to make adaptations of the unaccompanied violin music, with the exception of keyboard arrangements of the Chaconne.
I have a moderate ammount of Bach unaccompanied violin music arranged for recorder.......it is nigh on impossible to play due to the need to break the extremely long phrases with breathing!
I use the cello suites as regular study type practise on bass clarinet - they cover the note range I really need to work on making more fluid (around the break and lots of left hand work) , they are invaluable for practising reading bass clef and are really rewarding to play.
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Author: David Peacham
Date: 2006-05-15 17:36
CJB wrote: "I have a moderate ammount of Bach unaccompanied violin music arranged for recorder"
Have you now? I have some of the violin-and-keyboard music thus arranged, but not the unaccompanied.
But perhaps I should have written "the cello suites are performed on many different instruments". Off-hand, I can't think of ever hearing the violin pieces performed on anything but violin, apart from the Chaconne.
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Author: tetiana
Date: 2006-05-15 18:20
There are several transcriptions of Bach's violin sonatas and cello suites, transcribed for clarinet. I play them off and on over the past few yeats and return to them often for a workout in technique, but mostly for the pure beauty of the music.or endless. Check out the transcriptions by Eric Simon or Alamiro Giampieri.
tetiana
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Author: tetiana
Date: 2006-05-15 18:30
Sorry for the typos in my previous posting:
There are several transcriptions of Bach's violin sonatas and cello suites, transcribed for clarinet. I have played them off and on over the past few years and return to them often for a workout in technique, but mostly for the pure beauty of the music. Check out the transcriptions by Eric Simon or Alamiro Giampieri.
tetiana
tetiana
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2006-05-15 21:27
I have a Hymie Voxman book called Classical Studies for Clarinet, which is mostly movements from the Bach cello suites and the violin sonatas and partitas. Gary van Cott has it for $8.95, item C163, http://www.vcisinc.com/clarinetmusiccollections.htm
It's an old Rubank edition, so there are typos, but it's still worth having. Bach was writing for strings, so there are lots of wide arpeggios, which are easy for the bow crossing from one string to the next, but difficult on clarinet. Still, it's great music and well worth the low price.
There is also a transcription of the cello suites for English horn, WW10, http://www.vcisinc.com/oboemusic.htm. The English horn goes down only to B, so the tessitura is quite high. Get the cello version instead, and practice reading bass clef (not to mention scordatura in alto clef for #6), or, better yet, get the manuscripts free on the WWW and work from those:
http://www.wimmercello.com/bachs1ms.html
http://www.wimmercello.com/bachs2ms.html
http://www.wimmercello.com/bachs3ms.html
http://www.wimmercello.com/bachs4ms.html
http://www.wimmercello.com/bachs5ms.html
http://www.wimmercello.com/bachs6ms.html
Ken Shaw
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Author: diz
Date: 2006-05-15 22:41
Ken ... thank you for these links, Bach's manuscript is always so beautiful and florid to look at (how he ever got the time to have squillions of children, two wives, AND compose is beyond me).
Without music, the world would be grey, very grey.
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Author: clarinetwife
Date: 2006-05-15 22:59
Diz has pointed out one of the great mysteries of musical life. I have found that the best way to ensure that all h--- will break loose between my children is to open a clarinet case or sit down at the piano.
I second the recommendation of the old Voxman Classical studies book. I remember sweating those pieces and enjoying them at the same time. It has been too long; I should get that out.
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Author: David Niethamer
Date: 2006-05-16 02:58
>>Edgar Meyer: Double bass
This recording is only suites 1, 2, & 5, but it is wonderful playing. It's a favorite of mine.
Ronald Caravan has a book of Bach transcriptions containing selected movements from all 6 solo violin sonatas, the cello suites, and the A minor flute Partita. Published by Ethos publications, whoever that mey be. It's less heavily edited than Voxman's book, but more expensive, I think.
David
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Author: Connor
Date: 2006-05-16 23:24
Tod Oxford; Baritone Saxophone
A wonderfull redition of the First Cello Suite....
Avalible on his album Finesse
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