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Author: clarinetmom
Date: 2006-04-13 21:26
I am so stressed and confused right now and I have to make up my mind in the next few days.
I know that studing with the right teacher is the most important thing but how can I be sure who the right teacher is. Here's my problem.
I was accepted to the Hartt School of Music (undergraduate - clarinet performance) with a nice scholarship but it only covers half the tuition - after 4 years I will owe over $50,000 and that's with my parent's paying the equivalent of a SUNY school.
I was also accepted at SUNY Potsdam and SUNY Fredonia (clarinet performance). After graduation I will owe nothing.
I plan on continuing with my studies and going on to graduate school where I am sure I will be incurring substanital debt.
I know I will get honest feedback from all of you who have been there, done that.
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Author: larryb
Date: 2006-04-13 21:45
$50,000 is a relatively small amount of debt for a high quality education.
Better some debt (look at it as an investment) than regrets and second guessing about whether you made the right choice in terms of quality.
That's just my 50,000,000 cents.
PS - I just noticed the above post, written as I was posting. Now do you feel less confused?
Post Edited (2006-04-13 21:47)
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Author: Cuisleannach
Date: 2006-04-13 21:50
I was told from a financial officer friend of mine that school loans were viewed in a very positive light when looking at credit-worthiness. That being said, the loans still have to be paid back. This is easier for people who will graduate with degrees that earn significant money, but is rather more difficult for musicians. Your loans can be deferred while you are in school, but they will still have to be paid...even bankruptcies do not right off school loans.
Depending on your ability some graduate schools in music will offer assistantships, but these aren't as common as they are in the sciences and generally pay less, though they often come with a tuition waiver.
The hardest part of your decision is, as you have stated, the teacher. While most colleges and universities can give you a solid education in physics, english, or math, the quality of your education depends a lot on your rapport with your teacher. Since the market for hiring college professors in music is definitely a buyer's market (colleges buying talent, that is) the quality of faculty at most state colleges is probably guite high and the rigor of almost any program is very high (music majors spend more time in class and rehearsal than any other major, and this doesn't figure in practice and study time).
I would recommend, as part of your decision process, to schedule a couple of lessons with the teacher you would most likely have at each institution...audition them, so to speak. You will be making a substantial investment in time and possibly debt load in the institution you finally choose, and you deserve the opportunity to have as much information possible to help you.
I also strongly recommend, if you plan on majoring in performance, to pick another major or at least a certificate that would allow you to make a living until your music career begins paying off. Even liberal arts grads are facing an extremely tough time with the current state of the economy, and it goes without saying that the less time you can spend saying, "You want fries with that?" the better. It is a lot harder (though not impossible) to defer those loans when you have a job, even if it is at Mal-Wart.
-Randy
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Author: Lori
Date: 2006-04-13 22:43
I was in pretty much an identical situation when I auditioned for undergrad. I went for the school I wanted more and took out loans to pay for it, majoring in music education. For grad school I was offered an assistantship in clarinet, and it provided full tuition plus a stipend. There I majored in clarinet performance.
The result? After grad school I had so many loans that I didn't have a choice about what field to go into unless I wanted to move back home with mom and dad so I could save rent. I ended up going into teaching so I could pay the bills.
I love my job and have been there for 7 years but I can tell you first hand that it's been very difficult to keep up my performance skills and practicing; working with middle school kids all day is rewarding but very tiring.
I have said about million times by now that if I had to do it again, I would take the free ride in undergrad, go to grad school like I did, and then have a little more freedom when I got out of school. I'm 32 and still 3 years away from having all my loans paid off.
Best of luck with whatever you decide!
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Author: ClariTone
Date: 2006-04-13 23:04
Back to your original question which was "How can I be sure who the right teacher is?".
Now, there are several options available:
1) Take advantage of a free lesson with the instructor you will most likely have. Most (if not all) instructors have a time slot set aside for recruiting, and most (at least in my experience) have been very willing to offer a free lesson and personal tour of the music department. This can help you to gauge the feel of the department, maybe sit in on an ensemble rehearsal, and give you an oppurtunity to work with the instructor one-on-one in-person, and not over the internet.
2) Contact music majors in the music department at both schools. Ask questions (try to get them alone, so their responses aren't influenced by anyone/thing). This can be done both over the internet and even better in person!!!
There are other options, and I'm sure others will chime in here with their opinions. Best of Luck!!!
Clayton
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Author: mtague
Date: 2006-04-14 00:30
Can you get some of the non-music classes out of the way at community college? I went to art college and wish that I had done that instead of taking some very expensive math and english classes at my art school. You can ask the college advisors what classes they accept for transfer and if your scholarship can be put on hold. Or maybe you could take them concurrently. I don't know if music majors have to take college level math, english and whatnot. I'm in CA and the schools here just shove it down your throat regardless of major, so I assume you would have to take some non-major related classes. Look into grants too. There are a lot of resources to explore for raising tuition money. I think the FAFSA website lists some as a courtesy.
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Author: Terry Stibal
Date: 2006-04-14 00:37
The musical education that you get will be relatively intangible. Sure, you will learn a craft (in any of the three possible solutions), but that's only the first step. There are a lot of other very good folks out there, dozens each year, with similar qualifications and certifications, all who will be looking to fill the same limited number of slots that you will want to occupy.
The debt, on the other hand, is completely tangible. You are spending two cars, or a third of a house, or a couple of year's income that will (especially under current laws and regulations) have to be repaid.
If I was going into a trade where I knew I could quickly pick up a living post graduate school (some sort of business operations in the financial markets) based upon my certifications obtained at university, I might consider the high priced option. But, going into music or music education is anything but a dead cert. In my eyes (at least), your situation is a no-brainer: go for one of the quality free options over one that's some small degree better but infinitely more expensive.
But, I'd go one farther. There are any number of fine musical types who never spent a day in university, yet enjoyed long and (in their way) profitable musical careers. Mozart, Ivan Müller and others of their era come to mind. Work to live, allowing you to enjoy the fruits of your labors and make all the music you want in your spare time...
leader of Houston's Sounds Of The South Dance Orchestra
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Author: Synonymous Botch
Date: 2006-04-14 02:12
I suppose the real question should be; what do you expect an education, weighted heavily in the study of music, to provide at the end?
If you attend a school where exposure to other fields is expected, you may find many things beyond the "charted course".
Seriously, do you expect attendance at Hartt to get you gigs?
How many of the paying clarinet jobs could you attract, now?
If your intent is to attend a graduate school, perhaps you may wish to investigate the stipend that will be offered. The rate of pay may be sobering.
Potsdam has a growing (deserved) reputation, even if it isn't far from home.
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2006-04-14 02:28
Why not go to the school with the full scholarship, and pay for private lessons with the teacher of your choice on the side? I don't know if this is a good thing to do or not (if it would overload you to have two sets of goals per week and two sets of inputs), but it would be more cost effective.
Probably would come out to less than 50k if you purchased a lesson a week with whatever teacher you wanted for four years. Unless they charge 250 dollars a lesson.
US Army Japan Band
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Author: Ed
Date: 2006-04-14 02:31
I also would probably lean toward going the cheaper option. You never know what other expenses you will incur over the years. You want a new set of clarinets? perhaps a low C bass clarinet? etc. It is a lot more affordable when you have a cash flow. You can make any situation work for you. While you are in school practice your butt off, go to concerts, listen to as much music as you can. Play as much as possible taking every opportunity available. Once you get out people care how you play, not what the paper says.
As others have mentioned, a musician/music educators life is not necessarily a big bucks income, so it may take a while to pay off. You may want to have other options and not be strapped.
All that said, you have to follow your heart. Read all the postings, think about what feels right to you, make a list of pro and con for each, but in the end do what is best for YOU not for anyone else. GOOD LUCK and keep us posted.
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Author: EEBaum
Date: 2006-04-14 03:12
I'm always in favor of keeping one's options open. If you go to the less expensive place, assuming you stay with music, you graduate with a clean slate, as opposed to the truckload of debt.
Also, though, if you're not making an enormous financial investment, you'll have an easier option to explore other interests while you're there. Get a minor in something else. Heck, my music major was upgraded from a minor, and there's nothing keeping you from going the other way if you decide a professional musician's life isn't for you.
-Alex
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Author: Clarinetgirl06
Date: 2006-04-14 03:13
I would probably go with the cheaper option. You can always go and get your Masters at a high end school.
I'll be attending the University of Missouri-Kansas City Conservatory of Music. Without scholarships it would have cost me $30,000 for 5 years. At first, I really wanted to attend the University of Oklahoma which would have cost me $80,000 for 4 years. Now, after scholarships at UMKC I'll be getting 5 years of education for $10,000. I know the professor at UMKC is great and I will get a fantastic education! The professor at OU is more well known, but the education I'll be receiving is essentially close to that of OU.
Now I won't be in debt because I can easily pay off the $10,000 while I'm in school. So that means I'll only have to pay $166. 67 per month for a college education (OU would have cost me 1666.67 PER MONTH)! That's worth it to me, and I know that the school I chose is still very good, especially for a Bachelors. It's no Eastman or Stonybrook, but it will still be great and I know I will have a quality education.
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Author: msloss
Date: 2006-04-14 03:59
How interesting. Having the exact same conversations with one of my students who is picking which university offer to accept right now.
I'll offer the same comments I gave to her -- consider how many opportunities you are going to have to start your life and your career, and then decide what that is worth to you. If there is a program you firmly believe is the right one for you and will put you on the path toward what you seek, you seriously need to weigh the choice between a life with debt and a life with regret. Money can be earned, but time cannot.
Good luck with your choices. Feel free to email me if you would like to discuss further. My student is looking at several of the same schools.
Mark S.
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Author: Cuisleannach
Date: 2006-04-14 04:18
<<<Can you get some of the non-music classes out of the way at community college? I went to art college and wish that I had done that instead of taking some very expensive math and english classes at my art school. You can ask the college advisors what classes they accept for transfer and if your scholarship can be put on hold.>>>>
Unfortunately, in most music programs, music is generally a track on its own....you can decide to begin most majors after two years but a music major, especially in performance, requires you to start on the music track from the first.
<<<Why not go to the school with the full scholarship, and pay for private lessons with the teacher of your choice on the side?>>>
I must gently disagree. I generally advise students very strongly against using two teachers at the same time......it tends to create a conflict in styles that can't be resolved, particularly when you're getting a grade from the one you regard inferior enough to take another teacher (in their eyes, anyway). Using the money you save to take a bunch of high-end master classes would be an excellent option, though.
Incidentally, I double-majored in music and physics...not realizing that it's as hard getting a job in physics as it is in music....then did grad school in molecular biology and graduated when the bottom dropped out of NIH funding....resulting in fairly long unemployment.
Times are hard all over...it pays to diversify.
-Randy
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Author: Lelia Loban ★2017
Date: 2006-04-14 11:17
Try a risk-benefit analysis of your financial prospects. Figure out what you will owe per month on the higher-priced option when the debt comes due. Then figure out your worst-case scenario for employment after you graduate. That's the difficult part: How far down the McJob chain can you sink and still be able to meet the monthly or quarterly obligation? Ask yourself if you're prepared to give up luxuries that some of your friends might consider necessities (the Starbucks latte, the concert tickets...). Ask yourself if the cheapest places for you to live in your community are safe enough for you to be willing to live there. If you're going to teach music privately, can you afford to live in a place that's safe enough not to scare off your students' parents?
My husband and I became self-supporting in our late teens and had no choice if we wanted to finish our college education. Education was cheaper then, in the late 1960s and early 1970s. We took the less expensive option of state schools (San Francsico State, then U. C. Davis post-grad for him and U. C. Berkeley followed by U. C. Davis for me)--but we still needed student loans to get by, along with our part time menial jobs. He got a Harvard fellowship for a year of post-doc work. We were worse off that year than any other, because the fellowship paid just enough to prevent us from qualifying for other aid. Then we continued to live the starving student life for nearly a decade after we finished school. Things weren't easy, even back then when school and everything else cost less. Among other things, we spent seven years *after* graduation in a cramped, one-bedroom apartment in a complex we nicknamed, "Cockroach Towers."
We never regretted finishing school. I don't regret the years of excessively tight budgets, either, because a lot of those cheapskate habits survived as a natural part of our current lifestyle that I prefer to the way I see some of my friends living. We're completely debt-free now (in our late 50s), partly because, if we want to buy something, we save up the money before we spend it, and when we use the credit card (because it gives us extra warranty protection, for instance), we pay it off at the end of the month. We do our own cooking, housecleaning and yard work. We still go to flea markets and yard sales, where, incidentally, I've bought most of my best clarinets!
Lelia
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Author: Chetclarinet
Date: 2006-04-14 15:23
The best news is that you are accepted by three very fine music schools. I am in particular acquainted musically and personally with Dr. Raphael Sanders , Professor of Clarinet at Pottsdam. He is a great teacher and player, very easy to communicate with and will offer you an excellent clarinet education. The music school at Pottsdam is well respected, and if you are a successful undergraduate student there, you will have little trouble finding an excellent graduate school. Also, although you are thinking about clarinet performance, please consider obtaining a music education undergraduate degree and a perfomance masters degreed. I have an undergraduate degree in music education from Eastman as well as a Performers Certificate in Clarinet and have never in 40 years regretted the decision I made. There are hundreds of under employed clarinetists with performance degrees out there. Chester Rowell
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Author: Bob Phillips
Date: 2006-04-14 15:49
Leila,
Your position seems to me to be a good point of departure for clarinetmom.
As an escaped California native, I passed through some of the same (sort of) portals you did. I used Junior/City college, a state college and, finally, Bezerkeley --in the post sputnik, Kennedy years. As a student of technology with a wonderful NASA graduate school fellowship, I experienced my highest standard of living, new cars, vacations, ...
When I finally got to "THE University" from State, I was so paranoid about my supposedly poor, unacredited preparation that I worked my tail off and was able to get good grades.
I think that clarinetmom could judge her scholarship critically as she takes the "low road" through her undergraduate years. Find the library, consider the absolutes of the coursework: ask: "Am I seeing enough of the subject matter to consider myself competent in this area? Do I know something of what I don't know? Is what I think I don't know different from what a student at a pricier school doesn't know?"
By all means, don't settle for the gentleman/woman's C grade.
Above all, learning is a change of behavior. Your academic ccomplishment is not merely a completion score, it is a change in the way your think, the application of what you now know to the next challenge you face. Often the reaction to a challenge will necessarily be the pursuit of more knowledge.
I don't think any of us "cheaper route" students are inherently disadvantaged by "educations."
ONE CAUTION: If the attainment of social rank is a major life goal, you need to write on your dorm wall where you can see it daily: It ain't what you know; its who you know. My graduate school experience gave me the tools to work on someone's challenging problems (job preparation). It did not expose me to all those opportunities to NOT work for a living.
Bob Phillips
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Author: crnichols
Date: 2006-04-14 18:35
Dr. Sanders at SUNY Potsdam is a great teacher. I would highly suggest considering to go study with him for free.
Christopher Nichols
1st Infantry Division Band
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Author: Cuisleannach
Date: 2006-04-14 20:12
<<<ONE CAUTION: If the attainment of social rank is a major life goal, you need to write on your dorm wall where you can see it daily: It ain't what you know; its who you know. My graduate school experience gave me the tools to work on someone's challenging problems (job preparation). It did not expose me to all those opportunities to NOT work for a living.>>>
If the attainment of social rank is a major life goal then majoring in music may not be for you.
My best teacher (the one I had pre-college) once gave me the best advice I've ever gotten:
"If you can see yourself doing anything other than music, do it. In that case its better to make money and be a patron of the arts, and to do it for fun. If you can't see any other life in your future, if you are willing to make your clarinet your life and subordinate everything else to the study of music then go for it!"
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Author: D
Date: 2006-04-14 22:12
Being a natural pessimist: What if you become physically unable to play, i.e. lose a finger etc. Personally I'd rather not have that massive debt hanging over my head.
I finished my postgrad (not music) with a small debt a few years ago. But it just doesn't go away. This is the point of life where I want to be thinking about mortgages and settling down. But with that big black cloud up there, it just isn't going to happen.
Is there really enough difference in the quality of the education, and what you could get out of it, worth the cost?
How about taking the scholarship, but also going to as many summer schools as you can find while studying to learn from other players, and to network.
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Author: dummer musiker
Date: 2006-04-15 02:10
SUNY schools have a lot to offer. They are really underrated. From what I've learned during my time at SUNY Fredonia is it is more of a music education focused program. Fredonia has an amazing MUED program and very respected Professors in the dept. But they do offer performance and its a strong program. The faculty there are amazing.
You can get a high quality education at a SUNY school. Its about the Professors and what you put into your education, its not all about the name of the university.
I studied clarinet with Mr. East at SUNY Fredonia for 2 and a half years (I was a transfer) and I'm a current student there. He is also an excellent professor and player. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me off the board.
I guess my point is don't pick your school because of the name. Pick your school because of the teachers, how you feel on the campus, if you can see yourself living there for several years, and where you think you'll feel most at home.
Oh and P.S. Its REALLY hard to transfer from a two year college as a music major. Courses just do not line up correctly.
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats."
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Author: GBK
Date: 2006-04-15 07:41
I did my undergraduate degree at Crane (SUNY Potsdam) and was able to study clarinet with Dave Etheridge, who had just begun his college teaching career before eventually moving to Oklahoma.
Crane prepared me well for teaching as well as performing. The school is small enough to give the faculty every opportunity to work and foster the growth of each student, yet the standards are rigid and demanding.
If you like a small school setting in a picturesque part of the USA, Crane could be a school to consider.
Many Crane graduates have had great success in the field of music - most recently the world renowned soprano Rene Fleming ...GBK
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Author: corks&pads
Date: 2006-04-15 15:15
Hop aboard that free ride!! $50,000 in debt is crushing--especially when you are trying to scratch out a living with a new degree. If you do especially well, you can always apply to grad school and study further with other great teachers...often on another free ride, or with graduate teaching responsibilities.
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Author: ginny
Date: 2006-04-15 23:45
To lazy to dig it out but I recall a study that showed that kids who were accepted at the Ivy League schools but instead went to a junior college did as well as those who spent the money on the Ivys.
It was not specific to music of course.
On the other hand in my family I would say sending my niece to the cheap public school was a mistake, she ended up marrying a guy who although talented is a bit of a slacker. It's as easy to love someone who's going somewhere but harder to meet them at the JC.
My son took the cheap route with the full ride at a UC.
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Author: Scotti
Date: 2006-04-16 01:08
If I could speak frankly...
The Hartt School of Music is not a powerhouse school. It's good, but so are the other schools you're considering. I don't believe it's so much better than the other schools that you should spend so much to go there, particularly if you intend to go on to graduate school. Squeeze everything you can out of one of the SUNY schools, including trying to do everything you can over the summer, and then go to a really big or really good graduate school. Otherwise, you're paying way too much for a school that isn't worth the difference.
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2006-04-16 05:26
Here's a slightly different angle. At 7% interest, you'll have to pay about $580 a month for 10 years to pay off your $50,000 loan. If you put those same $580 monthly payments into a 6% retirement account, at the end of 10 years, you'll have accumulated around $95,050. If you leave that amount in the fund at 6% (without adding another cent) until age 65, you'll have over $613,000 toward your retirement. Not a bad start.
Look at the program requirements at all three schools as well as the course offerings. Look at the student:teacher ratios. Look at the profiles of recently admitted students (average SAT/ACT scores, for example) to see how selective the schools are in their admissions. Find out, if you can, what recent graduates are now doing. Only choose Hartford, if you see some significant differences among the schools that make it stand out.
Best regards,
jnk
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Author: Bob Phillips
Date: 2006-04-16 13:54
Jack,
Thanks for the financial reminder. I'd send it to my son and his wife who are in their early 30s and paying college loans while renting their house =-but it would just make them feel bad.
Bob Phillips
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Author: Brenda Siewert
Date: 2006-04-16 14:38
I would have to agree with Chetclarinet and others about SUNY. I also know Dr. Sanders and agree that he is a fine choice for a mentor/teacher. I took a few lessons from him back in 1997 and also played in a church orchestra with him. He is a good man with high ideals and a great clarinet tone and technique. You wouldn't go wrong with him and if you'll be debt free at the end---what could be better?
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Author: Al
Date: 2006-04-16 22:53
Trust your instincts! That said, here is my opinion:
Unless you feel strongly that the less expensive choice is wrong for you don't hesitate going for it.
Honestly, your education will mostly be what YOU make of it! Practice well and harder than you ever have and study! Enjoy the experience and live your life. Even if you do end up hating the choice you originally make...who's to say you can't transfer.
If this happens, be sure to research the teachers (take lessons with them) before you move on to a new school. Sometimes it is difficult to tell at first how that chemistry will evolve but it will give you a better idea.
This doesn't have to be the last decision you ever make and since you are so confused right now I suggest considering not spending a huge amount of money now. You should be proud that you have a sholarship and that you don't have to pay 50,000 in debt later if you don't want to (which by the way could easily double by the time you pay it off).
I know it is a big decision but you are not stuck either way. Try something out and if it is not working after a semester look into other options. Many people tranfer.
By the way, I had about 30,000 in debt after 6 years of music school (most of this due to living expenses...not even tuition. I had scholarships too) I did not have a job when I was in school because there was no time if I really wanted to focus on learning. I am almost all paid off now and I am 32 years old, have two part time orchestra jobs, teach part time at a University, have another 10 students outside of that and another small part time job to fill the holes. Just did my taxes today....make just under 25,000 from all of these jobs. This is a very common life for a musician. I am proud of what I have but I don't make much money. I love what I do and I don't regret a day!
Post Edited (2006-04-16 23:06)
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Author: Terry Stibal
Date: 2006-04-17 14:24
The only comment that need be made on the previous posting is that the $25,000 should be divided by the total number of hours worked in all capacities during the period. The result might be enlightening.
Your future does not only include you, if you are typical of most in this vale of tears. It will also include a spouse and perhaps a little clarinet player or two. And, these things have a way of happening that is not planned. When they come, in a life that is already "overbooked" such as the above example shows, it may be the straw that breaks the camels back.
Projecting a lifetime from desires held as a youth is not the way to go. You may know (and, for all I know, you may be) the world's best clarinet player. Unfortunately, even the very best of the best are not living rock star lives. (Well, other than that Daniels boy, who has enough to live in Santa Fe...) The income that they derive is often a "writ large" version of the one described above, with a "decent living" attained by both playing and by teaching in the odd hours left available. If you are willing to be stretched this far (and that $50,000 nut that you would be taking on with the upend school education will stretch you even further), then it will be all for the good.
However, working three jobs (for that is what is being done by Al) is a soul-sucking experience. Most students are not used to doing this, and taking it on after schooling (which is, after all, a relatively sheltered environment) may not be as rosy as one might think.
Once again, take the free ride now, see if the life musical is still what you want in four years, and try and pick up a double major with something practical as a backup. You'll be in school for ten years tops, and you've got another sixty looming ahead of you.
The best 'cellist (and she was very, very good indeed) that I knew when growing up in the musical world in the 1960's is still a secretary for the local auto club office. All of that expensive schooling (paid for by her parents, in this case), all of that practice, and she now announces who's next in the TripTik line. She is making (in effect) minimum wage at age 50...a sobering thought...
leader of Houston's Sounds Of The South Dance Orchestra
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Author: clarinetmom
Date: 2006-04-17 22:46
I want to thank everyone for taking the time to share their thoughts and invaluable experiences on this matter.
I'm starting to feel less conflicted about the decision I know I will have to make. I have until April 30th to make a final decision and will carefully consider all the advise you have given.
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Author: DHsu87
Date: 2006-04-18 02:22
Does anyone know Dr. Alan Woy who is also a clarinet professor at SUNY Potsdam? When I was younger, I went to the pre-college summer camp (CYM) and thought he was an excellent teacher. When I was living in Potsdam (some 6 years ago) I used to take lessons with his wife, who is also a clarinetist. She was my very first teacher.
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