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Author: Keith Ferguson
Date: 2006-04-03 22:40
I know there are a number of experienced and knowledgeable readers of this BB, and hope I can find out whether there is any consensus as to which is the most accepted edition of the Grand Duo Concertant.
I have the Boosey & Hawkes publication, edited by Ernest Roth, who I'm guessing is/was a pianist. When I played the Rondo for my teacher, I could sense him leaning in to peer at the music and then walking over to a shelf to fish out his version, which is published by Ricordi and edited by Giuseppe Garbarino, a clarinetist who taught at the Milan Conservatory.
The differences between the two editions are surprising in terms of dynamic markings, phrasing and even which notes should be played. It makes me wonder about competitions - if my teacher was adjudicating and heard me play from the Boosey & Hawkes publication, he would not be impressed with my approach to the music, even though I was playing what is on the page.
Is there an edition of this piece that is widely accepted?
Thanks for your help.
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Author: cigleris
Date: 2006-04-03 23:19
Always go for the urtext editions, there are a few out there. Henle has done all the concertos and so must have done Weber's chamber music also. How about the Weston edition which is also urtext. No edition is widely accepted but if your really going to study something it's best to start with the composers original text. Then make your mind up from there.
Peter Cigleris
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Author: larryb
Date: 2006-04-04 00:54
Henle hasn't (yet) published an edition of the Grand Duo.
Leinau publishes the edition edited by Baermann.
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Author: Tony Pay ★2017
Date: 2006-04-05 16:18
The difficulty with all current editions is that there is no unedited clarinet part.
The Henle editions of the other Weber works provide you with such unadorned clarinet parts, as well as copies of Carl Baermann's edition of those pieces, which might be taken to represent something like what Heinrich Baermann (his father and Weber's collaborator) played at the time.
You can therefore look at both sources and make up your own mind what you want to do.
However, there is no Henle edition of the Gran Duo, and no Carl Baermann edition either, as far as I know.
All other editions provide you with a part containing just what a particular clarinet player -- Giamipieri, Garbarino, Kell, Drucker etc -- happens to fancy doing. (The Weston edition provides you with what a non-clarinetplaying editor fancies your doing, which is even more redundant in my book.)
I have a photocopy of the original manuscript, the clarinet part of which I have put into Sibelius, and I attach a Postscript file of that. I don't know whether it will work -- perhaps someone will tell me.
I should say that I am not suggesting that you play all the articulations that appear, or don't appear, in this version. It's just that it's worthwhile knowing what Weber wrote, so that you can ignore stuff written by OTHER PEOPLE that doesn't fit with what you want to do.
Tony
OK, I see I'm not allowed to attach a PS file. But if anyone wants it, I can email it. (Or perhaps if it's good enough quality, Mark might put it somewhere where people can download it. Mark?)
Post Edited (2006-04-05 16:29)
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Author: larryb
Date: 2006-04-05 16:22
who eidited the Leinau edition, I thought it was a Baermann, but maybe I'm wrong.
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Author: Tony Pay ★2017
Date: 2006-04-05 17:00
larryb wrote:
>> who eidited the Leinau edition, I thought it was a Baermann, but maybe I'm wrong.>>
Oh, was it? I missed that.
Still, that's good news -- perhaps Henle will be able to follow the same line as they've done with the other pieces.
For myself, I just read off Weber's original, and put in ornaments sometimes.
But, for example, I don't see any need to alter the clarinet's first phrase, which is just, fortissimo, dotted quarter with accent, 5 eighth notes with staccato marks on the last four, new bar, dotted half note with accent. No slurs at all.
Why mess about with fancy articulations on top of something so simple and direct?
And why all the crescendos in the 'lusingando' section in every edition? If you want them, you can do them, of course; but why throw away the possibility of NOT doing them?
Tony
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2006-04-05 17:08
Attachment: webergduo.pdf (222k)
Tony Pay wrote:
> OK, I see I'm not allowed to attach a PS file. But if anyone
> wants it, I can email it. (Or perhaps if it's good enough
> quality, Mark might put it somewhere where people can download
> it. Mark?)
I've converted it to a PDF file & attached it.
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Author: Keith Ferguson
Date: 2006-04-06 22:24
Thanks so much Tony, not only for providing a context in which to approach the evaluation of so many editions, but as well for your generosity in providing your copy of the original manuscript. I'm very grateful. Thanks Mark, for taking the trouble to convert Tony's file into pdf.
This BB is wonderful!
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