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Author: stevesklar
Date: 2006-03-27 21:35
I was conversing with someone on eBay who was selling a nice looking Leblanc - though slightly faded wood here and there. They said that the repair tech Boiled the clarinet in water ?!?!
yes, you read that correctly. Boiled it in water. This is a LeBlanc (not vito, nor Normandy nor Noblet) but a Paris clarinet.
It apparently plays fine - for now. Any idea what long term affects this may have on the wood? I dont know how long it was boiled, etc but just absolutely find that amazing (in a bad way).
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2006-03-27 21:54
That is VERY hard to believe. A hot OIL treatment is [or believed to be] good for the wood, not sure of temp or oil, but guess about 160 F and in almond [or other "nut" oil], apricot etc, what do the several makers use in manufacturing/aging ?? Hot boiling 200+ F water should/would? extract or azeotrope-out the oils, which I'd sure think would be very damaging.Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: clarinetwife
Date: 2006-03-27 22:31
I prefer my clarinet grilled with a little chile and apricot glaze.
Truly, though, if this was done, do you have any idea what the intent of this procedure was?
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2006-03-27 22:40
GBK/Mark ??? Did I do something wrong [or just almost wrong] ? Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2006-03-27 22:48
You mean the strike-through part? Square-bracketed letters might be interpreted as formatting commands (to write italics and the like).
Maybe there's a half-closed bracket lingering somewhere. You can edit your post, after all.
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Ben
Post Edited (2006-03-27 22:50)
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Author: GBK
Date: 2006-03-27 22:57
Don berger wrote:
> GBK/Mark ??? Did I do something wrong [or just almost wrong] ? Don
[ You had inadvertently used a strike command in your posting. All fixed...GBK ]
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Author: corks&pads
Date: 2006-03-27 23:41
I'd be about as inclined to boil a clarinet in water as I would to clean a sports car by submerging it in a lake for a few minutes. I'm not even too impressed with the idea of hot (warm, ok) oil treatments. Exposing wood to extreme temperatures is asking for problems.
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Author: stevesklar
Date: 2006-03-28 00:06
The person who resold the clarinet didn't know the specifics. He just said it was boiled and wasn't sure if it was oil or water, but he believed it was water.
Just goes to show you to try and find out what you are buying on eBay and buyer beware.
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2006-03-28 00:08
Maybe he meant he used BOILED Lindseed oil, which is , ahem, served up at room temperature.
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
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Author: diz
Date: 2006-03-28 04:08
one observation: ebay - point made.
Without music, the world would be grey, very grey.
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Author: donald
Date: 2006-03-28 10:34
he probably had misheard the other fella telling him it had been "oiled"... the two words do sound alike, eh?
donald
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Author: clarinet_georgio
Date: 2006-03-28 12:58
This is almost along the same lines as the person who recently posted on boiling a horn in borax-following suit to a man who does this for violin wood...
First off...String instrument wood and its properties is ENTIRELY different from the wood and qualities needed for a clarinet.
Yes, many people are trying to replicate a Strad-that's for another forum, however I will briefly enlighten those who care...
String wood should have: nothing but the fibers. No albumens, no resins, just the fiber.
When properly treated, all impurities and resins should cease to exist in the wood. Then, the wood dries out completely, compacting the fibers-kind of like corrugated cardboard getting flattened.
With strings, the resins and other properties initially found in wood react to light-and in turn, light affects sound, there you have it. For a good string instrument, you are looking for zero light and what is left is a clear path for the air and vibrations to follow through.
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Clarinet, not so much, especially since you're dealing with an extremely dense and oily wood that a player is constantly pushing forced air and moisture into.
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Author: Hiroshi
Date: 2006-03-28 15:45
As I posted earlier, Prof.Joseph Nagyvary, a violin maker, of Texas A&M university boils wood plate in water added with borax to make it vibrate better.
If there is a same kind of black magic, I am very much interested.
There was a posting about GAS, Gimmick (or Gear) Aquisition Syndrome. I have another syndrome Black Magic Searching Syndrome, BMSS.
My favorite one is cryogenic treatment of brass instruments. You can easily find it by Google.
As chemists know catalyst making is like a black magic. It is not necessarily a wrong thing.
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2006-03-28 15:56
Let us not forget MAGNETS
And, of course, Raki therapy.
Did you know that the posts of the clarinet rods have to be drilled on the proper meridians in order to maximize the energy flow.
Treated improperly the aura leaves the instrument when it is blown out. Psychic readers have actually observed this happening.
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
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Author: Llewsrac
Date: 2006-03-28 17:40
I recall as an undergradurate student watching a disassembled wood Clarinet soaked in warm water, scrubed with a mild soap inside and out. Allowed to dry naturally for over a week, annotated with oil, reasembled with polished keys, new pads and corks. Played in Wind Ensemble with success. The student who did the cleaning was supervised by the woodwind repair course instructor. The wood grain was slightly lighter in color after the wash and dry but with the oiling return to the normal dark grenadilla color. Actually the wood looked much nicer after the cleaning. The Clarinet was a Buffet R13, although the wood grain had a new look to it, I recall no difference pro or con to it's tone quality.
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2006-03-28 17:58
I recall as an undergradurate student watching a disassembled wood Clarinet soaked in warm water, scrubed with a mild soap inside and out.
FWIW I did that too. (Although it wasn't an R13). No ill side effects. After all, the horn was less than five minutes in the water, compared to a two-hour playing session that's nothing.
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Ben
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Author: Hiroshi
Date: 2006-03-28 18:45
We use 3-5% hydrogen peroxide, or Reed Life(if we do not like the cancer inducing tendency of H2O2), to rejuvenate reeds after each performance. This will be to kill micro organism in sticked saliva and adhered to it from atmosphere and avoid its build up in reed.
Specialists of rejuvenation of used clarinets will have their own technique of rejuvenation of the same kind.
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Author: clarinet_georgio
Date: 2006-03-28 22:06
Washing the clarinet with soapy water is common-they do it at Buffet...Just as long as you dry it right away with a cloth. You only need to wait about 30 minutes after that until you can oil it.
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