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Author: clarinet60
Date: 2006-03-10 14:27
I'm curious as to whether any of you have had success with the A-frame mouthpieces that can be used for French style clarinets. I know that Greg Smith used to offer them, but I don't see them listed any longer on his web site. Thoughts?
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Author: Gregory Smith ★2017
Date: 2006-03-10 19:23
I do not offer them on French Bb mouthpieces in hard rubber anymore as they were never in much demand.
I do make German OEHLER mouthpieces (not REFORM) for German OEHLER system clarinets from my own custom designed and manufactured Zinner blanks - all of which have the standard German 8 degree angled sidewall. Larry Combs and I play that system in the CSO when German repertoire is called for and play the regular Auguste Buffet/Klose/Boehm (French) system clarinets for all other repertoire.
I think that Rovner may have some Bb angled sidewall blanks or ones that he had finished for him at one time still around somewhere. If not, you can always have a music store that deals with Zinner products (WW$BW, Muncy, or Weiner) custom order some blanks that you could then send to a mouthpiece maker.
A majority of my own Eb rubber and Bb hardwood mouthpieces are angle sidewalled - the Eb with the full, German-style 8 degree tilt, the Hardwood I fashion by hand to varying degrees of angle depending on what helps the mouthpiece play better.
This was a common practice by many mouthpiece makers of the past when they worked with rubber or wood, done so to control the "blow-through" of the mouthpiece and also to effect the "shape" of the resultant sound.
Gregory Smith
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Author: donald
Date: 2006-03-10 19:40
i have a very fine E flat clarinet mouthpiece that is a Zinner A blank refaced by Brad Behn. I have had a number of pro symphony players tell me that it's the best E flat mouthpiece they've ever played. While i believe that Brads work is very good- i feel that one reason everybody likes this mouthpiece is that the A frame design has less "back pressure" than these players are used to, thus making the E flat "feel" closer to the Soprano clarinets in terms of resistance. Just a theory of course.
The Zinner A frame mouthpieces i've played/refaced had a very "warm-dark" sound, but then lacked "sweetness" in the upper register. i found the left hand 12ths to be a tad larger than with other Zinner style blanks.
keep playing the good tunes
donald
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Author: Bnewbs
Date: 2006-03-10 21:53
I believe Walter Grabner still makes an angled wall mouthpiece based on Zinner blanks. Called AW-Pers mouthpiece, they are lsted on his site under personal series. I have tried his older AW mouthpiece which had a really nice dark sound, and by the looks of it the newer model does too.
Ben
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Author: Roger Aldridge
Date: 2006-03-11 00:19
Ralph Morgan clarinet mouthpieces have wide A-shaped angled sidewalls. This design is used in all of his mouthpiece models.
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Author: thomas.b
Date: 2006-03-11 15:56
Normally I play German clarinet (Dietz Orchestermodell) with a Viotto G3-Facing on a Zinner mp (with angled chmber as usual in Germany), Vandoren White Master 3: But I love as well playing Boehm . I own an ordinary E13. I tried a lot of mps and reeds (for Boehm) but did not have success: some problems could not be solved (lack of any resistance, sometimes too bright, loss of body in pp of the upper clarion, metallic sound in the upper clarion in ff etc. I ended with a Boehm Zinner and a Viotto G3 Facing and Vandoren White Master 3. German mps do not fit to french clarinets, but after reading this thread, I tried to fit my german Zinner (angled chamber) to my E13 (it is the same facing, same reeds) and used my string as ligature (this is good for German mps because of their special design . Then I compared both mps, where the main difference of the setup was the chamber design (same facing, same reed, same string)
WHAT A DIFFERENCE!
Lot of my problems vanished ( or decreased), upper clarion pianissimo does hold the sound much more better, in ff the sound does not break out, more resistance..... even with an ordinary E13. Wow, I think now I should look for a good barrel (which fits the upper part of the Boehm clarinet and the German Zinner mp (angled) or have a German mp with G3 facing reworked to fit an ordinary Boehm barrel.
Thanks a lot, this thread gave me lot of inspiration how to improve my Boehm setup and sound without that efforts/expenses.
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Author: Bas
Date: 2006-03-13 17:15
Viotto has German Oehler mouthpieces that fit in French Boehm barrels.Ask him about this, or contact me.In Holland this setup(a German Oehler mouthpiece on a French clarinet) is very popular.
Disclaimer,I am a European distributor of Viotto Clarinet mouthpieces.
www.basdejong.com
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2006-03-13 17:38
Ralph Morgan makes (or used to make) extensive modifications to his clarinet mouthpiece interiors, filing the interior frame into almost a circle. His blanks are custom made with a saxophone-style "duckbill" exterior. I've never seen an un-altered blank, but I have seen him working, and what he sells is very different from what he starts with.
Ken Shaw
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Author: Roger Aldridge
Date: 2006-03-13 18:32
Ken,
For what it's worth, I currently have 10 Morgan clarinet mouthpieces in a selection of facings and at one time or another over the past 5+ years I tried all of Ralph's RM and J model mouthpieces...except for the J7. All of them have exactly the same interior design with the large A-shaped chamber and angled side walls. It's my understanding that the only differences between the RM (symphonic) and J (jazz) models are in the tip opening and facing curve. Ralph's earlier models didn't have the duckbill beak. I'm not certain when he switched to the duckbill design. Last year I got an early model RM06 on ebay. I couldn't tell when it was made. It did not have the duckbill. However, it had the same A-shaped chamber that I'm accustomed to in a Morgan clarinet piece.
PS, Junkdude.com currently has some recently discovered Morgan clarinet mouthpieces (RM06, RM10, and RM15 models) that were made in 1998. They are being sold for a discounted price. This might be of interest to clarinetists curious about Morgan mouthpieces but don't like a duckbill beak.
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