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Author: GBK
Date: 2006-03-02 16:32
If you have 10 minutes, speakers or headphones with your computer and a quiet place to listen, this music memory test plays short pairs of tunes and you decide whether they are the same or different.
http://www.delosis.com/listening/home.html
I scored 28 out of 30.
Ouch... ...GBK
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Author: BelgianClarinet
Date: 2006-03-02 17:09
First time around only 22, but second round ;-) 27
My doughter (11 year) and playing clarinet too : 25 first time (promising ?!!)
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2006-03-02 17:21
I got a 27. Surprised myself since I usually have a very bad musical memory, or any type of memory actually..
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Author: Ralph G
Date: 2006-03-02 17:28
25, but had trouble hearing here at work so I had to guess a few. Otherwise I would've gotten even more wrong.
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Artistic talent is a gift from God and whoever discovers it in himself has a certain obligation: to know that he cannot waste this talent, but must develop it.
- Pope John Paul II
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Author: Dewey
Date: 2006-03-02 17:35
Got a 27 but my dogs were fighting some of the time.
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Author: David Peacham
Date: 2006-03-02 18:46
24.
Not impressive, perhaps, but a lot less embarrassing than I'd feared. I'm <expletive deleted> at aural tests.
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If there are so many people on this board unwilling or unable to have a civil and balanced discussion about important issues, then I shan't bother to post here any more.
To the great relief of many of you, no doubt.
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Author: GBK
Date: 2006-03-02 19:06
I just took it a second time and again scored 28.
At least my original mistakes, whichever ones they were, are consistent. ![[wink]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smilie3.gif) ...GBK
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Author: Mike S
Date: 2006-03-02 19:31
Quite fun - 26. I doubt we can come to any conclusions from this thread since participants are likely to score, on average, higher - and more importantly, those that score poorly relative to others who have posted won't publish their results!!
Mike
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Author: John J. Moses
Date: 2006-03-02 19:53
Got 'em all...but that's what I do for a living...sorry!
My kids got 27 (Rachel, age 16), and 24 (Dave, age 12).
My daughter, Leah, age 26, would not take the test. She's the Marketing Director for PC Magazine and refuses to do the music thing...two out of three isn't bad...!
JJM
Légère Artist
Clark W. Fobes Artist
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Author: diz
Date: 2006-03-02 20:08
John "she's marketing director for PC magazine" ... well, she'll probably make more money than your average downtrodden musician, brava to her. (I also work in Marketing).
Without music, the world would be grey, very grey.
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Author: Dan1937
Date: 2006-03-02 20:16
I got 27. One of the things I found distracting was that some examples began on an anacrusis, which made it more difficult to quickly determine the meter. I found my self trying to see the notation in my mind as I listened.
Dan
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Author: John J. Moses
Date: 2006-03-02 21:00
You're right, diz...! We're hoping she'll take care of the two "musical kids" later on...
JJM
Légère Artist
Clark W. Fobes Artist
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2006-03-02 21:09
I took the test, was called to phone, on return, it was expired. Is there retrieval of my feeble efforts ?? Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2006-03-02 21:37
25. Could've been worse.
(there were far more "different" than "same" pieces in my test. Maybe I got influenced by my sense for fairness.)
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Ben
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Author: Katrina
Date: 2006-03-02 23:18
Only got 26. A friend of mine from Conservatory way back when, who happens to be a paralegal now, got a perfect score. But then again, I'm soooo not the detail-oriented type!!
Katrina
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Author: GBK
Date: 2006-03-02 23:33
My wife, a speech pathologist who also plays violin and piano, got a 29.
I now owe her a dinner ...GBK (28)
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Author: diz
Date: 2006-03-03 00:04
I got 30, but that wasn't a surprise as I always got top marks for aural tests when undertaking exams.
Without music, the world would be grey, very grey.
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Author: Neil
Date: 2006-03-03 00:20
I got 18, must've listened to too much Alice Cooper ín my youth.
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Author: diz
Date: 2006-03-03 00:25
Neil - was he the one that bit chicken's heads off?
Without music, the world would be grey, very grey.
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Author: Neil
Date: 2006-03-03 00:53
diz wrote:
> Neil - was he the one that bit chicken's heads off?
>
Ozzie Osborne used to do that (and a bat on one occasion), I don't remember Alice doing it.
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Author: hans
Date: 2006-03-03 01:41
26. Maybe a few beers would have helped. Or not.
Hans
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Author: nes
Date: 2006-03-03 08:09
27. It's hard to know how fussy to be, but that's probably the point.
It is rather tricky
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Author: OpusII
Date: 2006-03-03 10:19
29 out of 30.... tell me why didn't I bet with GBK for a dinner? ;o)
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2006-03-03 13:07
I'm happy to report that , in response to my # 13 post here, our friendly Music Researchers informed me of my 26 out of 30 [ala Hans et al], will retake today, if time allows. Being only a "casual" player-musician-listener, with nearly no formal training, I'm quite happy to follow this "trail" further. FUN and challenge ! Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: Ralph G
Date: 2006-03-03 13:22
It would be interesting to know what the average score is among non-musical people. My score of 25 seems pathetically low compared to how the rest of you did, but I wonder if I'd be thought of as a tone-progression-recognizing god among the civilians out there.
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Artistic talent is a gift from God and whoever discovers it in himself has a certain obligation: to know that he cannot waste this talent, but must develop it.
- Pope John Paul II
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Author: ElBlufer
Date: 2006-03-03 15:46
I got a 24, I guess thats not bad considering my ears are a little clogged right now (cold).
My Setup:
R13 Clarinet (Ridenour Lyrique as my backup/marching instrument)
Walter Grabner K11 mouthpiece
Rico Reserve 3.5's
Bonade ligature
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2006-03-03 18:22
Again, I dont know what my 2nd test score was, but looking over my list of S and D's [random??] believe it to be poorer, also their E-M's "click here ---" didn't get thru, but will FW GBK's link to my kids for their amusement-challenge. Fun, Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: ZCClarinet
Date: 2006-03-03 21:07
29/30 (first time)
I was disappointed that a majority (perhaps all?) of my "different" pairs varied by a pitch in the 2nd playing which didn't even fit the tonality of the melody, as opposed to a variation of the melody still in the correct key (for example, so-do instead of ti-do or something of that sort). I guess I just got lucky.
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Author: Avie
Date: 2006-03-03 22:56
GBK, I have a serious confession to make. I got a 23 and a 23. Quite an awakening Id say. Do you get points for gettting the lowest score twice? It was real fun...Thanks![[toast]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smiley15.gif)
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2006-03-03 22:58
Hi,
I can't believe it with a 30/30 on the first try.
Sally Koman (long since passed), my Sight Singing & Dictation and Music Theory professor at Ohio U. many, many years ago, would have been so proud (I was not her finest student). I knew those sessions of "OK, listen to this and..." were going to come in handy someday. She was an Eastman grad so what would one expect.
HRL
PS I actually found myself trying to link the tune to an except of some piece or another. That helped a lot.
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Author: SVClarinet09
Date: 2006-03-03 23:37
I got a perfect 30. I don't know how really. Maybe learning guitar by ear and stuff. But it was rather easy to pick out what was wrong. And as for Alice Cooper-He didn't bite the head off a chicken. Somebody threw a chicken on stage in 1969, I think was the year, and he took the chicken and threw it back on stage. The next day the tabloids said he snapped the neck in half and drank the blood.
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Author: pewd
Date: 2006-03-04 05:22
27
wonder how my students will do.
i have a few who cant tell if they miss a note in a scale :(
- Paul Dods
Dallas, Texas
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Author: Bengal
Date: 2006-03-04 13:12
I scored 30, hard to believe. Though I guess the mismatched tunes were so seriously dissonant its hard not to spot them.
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2006-03-04 22:34
Hi Bennett,
Two earlier music measures were the Seashore and Kwalwasser-Dykema Music Tests. I have not thought about these for years but if anyone is interested in validity and/or reliability of these two tests, there is probably plenty on the web.
HRL
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Author: johnsonfromwisconsin
Date: 2006-03-05 01:02
21.
Well, what do I win for having the worst score so far?
There are faults with this test for sure as far as a metric for tone deafness as one with a finicky memory would also be adversly effected (as I have). I could spot any tone that was never played very well, but order of tones was a bit tougher for me.
-JfW
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Author: Neil
Date: 2006-03-05 01:08
"Well, what do I win for having the worst score so far?"
Read the thread again, I got 18. I took it again and got 23 though.
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2006-03-05 02:13
Hi Everyone,
Click on this link for some background on the research effort behind this listening test.
http://www.brams.umontreal.ca/peretz/
The study of cognitive processes is really cool stuff. Dr. Peretz and her students are doing some very interesting things. There are some fabulous publications here for those with a stronger academic interest. Even some audio samples.
HRL
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Author: hartt
Date: 2006-03-05 02:22
scored a 27...............but there were extenuating circumstances:
1. my dog began to howl
2. the phone rang
3. the doorbell rang
4. nature called
and
5. having mild dyslexia, coupled with my mouse finger began to twitch, I clicked on the wrong choice 3 times..(but only 3 times)
dennis
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Author: susieray
Date: 2006-03-05 03:31
I got 22 but not because of bad memory, but because of lousy hearing. It's not easy being a deaf musician. ![[frown]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smilie2.gif)
Sue
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Author: SimpsonSaxGal
Date: 2006-03-05 04:52
ditto to susieray
btw, I got 24
Kimberly Karwath
Bb, Bass, and Contrabass
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Author: Avie
Date: 2006-03-05 13:11
I scored a 23 again for the third time. I wonder what that means ![[huh]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smilie11.gif)
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2006-03-05 13:53
You're consistent and have perseverance? I'd say those are two very good traits.
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Author: ElBlufer
Date: 2006-03-05 18:11
I got 28 on my second try after they sent the return and play again! e-mail.
My Setup:
R13 Clarinet (Ridenour Lyrique as my backup/marching instrument)
Walter Grabner K11 mouthpiece
Rico Reserve 3.5's
Bonade ligature
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2006-03-05 18:34
> It's not easy being a deaf musician.
Said Beethoven too.
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Ben
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2006-03-05 18:36
Well said, Hank, your use of "perseverance" [too infrequently used?] , rang a bell with me, so, from Bartlett's, "Genius, that power which dazzles mortal eyes, Is oft but perserverance in disguise", H W Austin !! My second test try was 20 ! [am seeking cause and recovery today] . Will join further testing. FUN and info. Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: OpusII
Date: 2006-03-05 20:39
the second test was without error... 30/30. But I did lock myself in my room where I could here or see nothing else than the test... concentration seems to be important ;o)
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Author: Avie
Date: 2006-03-05 23:27
Thanks Hank, Don, & other fellow BB members for the confidence that a low score maybe, isnt so bad. I think the test is a very good practice tool which is probably the reason GBK was kind enough to send it. I am going to work on my pitch by playing more by ear in the future so it was well worth it to me.....Art
P.S.
I may even go for 4 in a row
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2006-03-06 01:59
Avie,
One thing to consider is that I had years of ear training as part of my music ed. degree. I'm certain that that had a great deal to do with my score.
Also I am still a working jazz musician who is pretty skilled at improvization. I know a huge number of tunes and I mean huge - how I do it, I don't know but good ears are a major part of the equation.
Yes, work on ear training. That is always an important skill for any musician at any level.
HRL
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Author: Avie
Date: 2006-03-06 13:45
Hank,
I just purchased a book that many BB members are familiar with, volume one "How to play jazz and improvise" by Jamey Aebersold. I consider it to be well written and focuses on playing chords and scales to tunes with a playalong CD. Im under the impression that one can play along with any tune if you know the key (scales and chords) of the tune. Is that is the way to successuful improvision and ear training? Its fairly easy to read the scales and chords but the object is to eventually learn to play all the chords and scales by ear. It seems to be a good way to start improvising. Ive been mostly reading music for 4 years after a long layoff. Ive noticed my tone and technical improvment when i dont have to concentrate on reading notes. Thanks.
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Author: diz
Date: 2006-03-06 23:42
Glenn - I've got one with two slightly difference versions of your favourite Australian tune ... the Vegemite song ...
Without music, the world would be grey, very grey.
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Author: DezzaG
Date: 2006-03-07 01:25
30/30
I found the tunes that were different were obvious. They use dissonant notes(or intervals) in place of the original tune. Maybe they should have changed the rhythms slightly!
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Author: Lisa
Date: 2006-03-07 03:34
26 for me, and it was early this morning before I was really awake.
I was wondering if maybe some of the rhythms WERE changed, and if they weren't (as DezzaG said), then that's probably where some of my errors came from. The note changes were obvious to me, but some of the longer clips were hard for me to remember perfectly, and I thought that rhythms may have been changed instead of pitches. Oh well.
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2006-03-07 12:25
Hi,
Let me get my retired researcher hat off the shelf. Ok, I've got it on.
There are many major problems with the "test" as it is currently being offered.
1. There should be only one varaible manipulated at a time. Otherwise, you have no idea what is being measured (rhythm or pitch).
2. There are not enough repetitions for much validity. A test-retest could be part of the regimen. Guessing could be a major factor.
3. The testing is not being controlled. Each person is in a different setting/situation.
4. A set of norms based on age, education, recency of experience, etc. should be the result, not did I get a perfect score or what? Then one can see their percentile...
5. We also have a biased sample to begin with (convenience as well as not very represenative of the entire population)
6. And that is just getting started.
As I said earlier, don't get too excited about how well you did or did not do. While the concept of testing for musical memory is not new, it is still a fascinating concept to study. Read some of the articles that are on the website that I indicated above.
IMHO this test is just a tease. It has great entertainment value but the scientific worth is not great. But enjoy yourself but don't take the results too seriously.
Hat is back on the shelf.
HRL
PS An interesting thing to study though is "what percentage of people do a retest and what was the original score and the retest score?" Who knows, maybe musical memory is not what is being measured! Researchers can be pretty crafty and the subject should not be aware of the variable that is being manipulated.
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2006-03-07 12:54
Hank,
the scientific value comes with the number of people who take the test. After some thousands of tests you have a significant enough sample (of a rather specific part of the population) under roughly comparable circumstances (in front of the computer screen, with headphones or speakers, staring at the monitor).
What might be of interest here (if I were a researcher in that project) is not the average or median score but probably more the width of the Gaussian bell or what pieces were easiest or hardest to accurately gauge, combined with maybe some daytime or geographical impacts.
One possible outcome is the conclusion that Swiss scored below average with quarter tone step differences because their Alphorns only play natural harmonics. ![[tongue]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smilie6.gif)
--
Ben
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2006-03-07 13:20
Fine "constructive" criticism, fellas AND girls, I attempt to analyze my 26/20/22 downward performance with factors such as tinitus, degree of tiredness, Income Tax "stress" etc, and of course old age. Mention of our good old "bell curve" may make me review my [static] statistics, will discuss with my mathematical-chemist son. How would we do if the "testing" inst. were a clarinet [or sax] ??? Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: Bennett ★2017
Date: 2006-03-07 15:48
I agreed to a follow-up after taking the test and was contacted by email yesterday. I retook the test after answering a short questionaire that asked about my genetic-blood relative's ability to carry a tune. It seems the study is about the inheritability of certain musical abilities.
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2006-03-07 16:15
Me too, Bennett, Velly Interesting ! One? of their oldies? Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2006-03-07 18:21
Ben,
Agreed, when you tease out the statistics, you might find some interesting cross-tabluations.
But even with several thousand respondents, you still would have to be very careful in generalizing any finidngs to a population unless you did some careful sample selection. I'd be interested in seeing the null and/or the research hypothesis.
HRL
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Author: Shorthand
Date: 2006-03-08 06:10
28
Alice Cooper, despite his stage personality, is really quite mellow. He hasn't had any issues, and his brain isn't anywhere near as fried as Ozzie's.
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