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 hitting that high G and question on trilling
Author: DTrinh09 
Date:   2006-02-01 03:52

i'm a freshman clarinetist in my high school band and for one of our closing competition pieces, we are playing Exultate by Samuel Hazo. i'm starting to become more confident on the runs, but there's this section of sixtuplets that reach all the way up to the G like on the 4th ledger line above the staff--and i'm having trouble getting the note out. i'm pretty sure it just comes with experience (i've made a lot of progress learning the notes above the high C since middle school), but i was wondering if there were any tips around? i'm currently using a plastic Yamaha YCL20 (i think--something 20 though) with a standard LeBlanc mouthpiece and regular Vandoren 2.5. advice woudl be greatly appreciated

also, our band is going was accepted in Disneyland's parade thing and we're playing Fantasmic part 1 and 3. at one point, we have to trill from Bb to C. i haven't been able to locate or experiment a correct way to trill that besides using regular fingerings...which is tough lol. another random gripe, do any of you guys have trouble playing the left pinky alternate fingering for C? there's also this rhythm that requires playing from a C to an Eb, and it's awkward to use reg. fingers--

-david

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 Re: hitting that high G and question on trilling
Author: pewd 
Date:   2006-02-01 05:01

first thing i'd try is a #3 reed instead of the #2.5

which Bb ? which octave?
trill fingerings chart is here ===> http://www.wfg.woodwind.org/clarinet/

Left side C - you mean 3rd space C?
are your fingers unusually short?
shouldn't be an issue if you practice both left and right finger combinations.
you need to be able to play left and right B, C, and C# with equal facility.
also have that key checked for proper action and check the lower joint for pad leaks.
what exactly is giving you a problem with the left side C? if you're fingering it correctly and its not coming out, have the horn checked for bent keys, pad leaks, etc.

- Paul Dods
Dallas, Texas

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 Re: hitting that high G and question on trilling
Author: DTrinh09 
Date:   2006-02-01 05:13

1. ya, i'm moving up to a V12 (3) (the chart says it's between 2.5 and 3 on trad. vandoren)

2. it's above the staff one--removing the octave key turns it into a middle Eb(4?) and thanks for the site--i think i might know what to do now

3. no, my fingers are just fine--it's just the two spatula keys (i think that's what they're called) get in the way and I can't find the C key that well--and i haven't really thought about horn problems, because i still do have *some* difficulty getting it out when visually placing my pinky on the key.

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 Re: hitting that high G and question on trilling
Author: pewd 
Date:   2006-02-01 05:24

3. have someone else try your horn, make sure its ok.

if it checks out ok, lots of practice on the left and right combinations

play a C scale - left B, right C
then play it again using right B, left C.

repeat for all of the major and minor scales, thirds & arpeggios playing it both ways (left-right and right-left) wherever possible.

- Paul Dods
Dallas, Texas

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 Re: hitting that high G and question on trilling
Author: EEBaum 
Date:   2006-02-01 06:06

For the Bb to C trill, either use the LH fork fingering for the Bb (putting all the trilling in the left hand), or only trill the two left fingers and leave the right side key down (again, putting all the trilling in the left hand)

-Alex
www.mostlydifferent.com

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 Re: hitting that high G and question on trilling
Author: Bassie 
Date:   2006-02-01 07:48

Rule for notes above E above the stave:

1. There are a number of fingerings.
2. Try them all.
3. Find somewhere to hide far from civilisation when trying this for the first time.
4. Almost any fingering will blow a high note with enough confidence behind it. When you're a beginner you call it a squeak. It's actually a note.

If it's really fast and high, it might be best to 'overblow' some of the fingerings of lower notes. The tuning might not be perfect but you might be able to get some of the agility back.

Bb-C trill: which one? Across the break it's the top two trill keys together. Above the stave I would have thought that moving the three fingers of the left hand together, on the first two holes and the banana key (that's the little one between holes 2 and 3, shaped like... well, you know), would work.

Anywhere there's an Eb you're going to be using that left C key (the one shaped like a golf club, right?) - practice is essential. Think about how you hold the instrument in general.

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 Re: hitting that high G and question on trilling
Author: Ken Shaw 2017
Date:   2006-02-01 15:27

There are many fingerings for the high G.

The standard one is: TR OXO XXO Eb ("T" = thumb; "R" = register key; "Eb" = right little finger on the Ab/Eb key)

A more stable alternate is: TR XOO XXO Eb

You can also try TR XOX XOX Eb

If you're coming at it from the clarion register, try: TR XOO OOO plus the top trill key, or the top two trill keys.

For the trill from clarion Bb to C, finger the Bb with the sliver key for the left ring finger and trill with the bottom two trill keys.

Ken Shaw

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 Re: hitting that high G and question on trilling
Author: Bob Phillips 
Date:   2006-02-01 16:06

Bassie:
Great advice! I've been working through the Kroepsch studies (Book one of 73, I think), and my very competent teacher (who claims to have worked out the "best" fingerings for every transition on the Boehm clarinet) frequently pulls out an alternate fingering that makes the tough spots work out.

Two more for G6:

TR oxx|xxoEb (overblown C3)

TR oxxC#/G# | XXo Eb (unless you have an articulated G#)

Bob

Bob Phillips

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 Re: hitting that high G and question on trilling
Author: Tyler 
Date:   2006-02-01 20:17

Yeah, for high G my fav fingering is the *TR XOX XOX Eb* above.

As far as embouchure, make sure you snug the mpc against your lips with upward pressure from the right thumb enough to resist the amount of air the note takes, then make sure you relax your tongue enough for it to find the right position to voice the 'G'. You just have to get a feel for it.

-Tyler

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 Re: hitting that high G and question on trilling
Author: Ken Shaw 2017
Date:   2006-02-01 21:40

Tyler -

You can train yourself to recognize the feel for each register. See the section "TECHNICAL DIGRESSION: The clarinet overtone series and voicing" in http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?f=1&i=101441&t=101441.

Ken Shaw

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 Re: hitting that high G and question on trilling
Author: DTrinh09 
Date:   2006-02-02 01:43

wow, cool--thanks for the help, i'll try it over the weekend :)

you can try:

http://www.samuelrhazo.com/exultate.html
(short clip)

-or-

search up Exultate by Samuel Hazo on:

www.jwpepper.com
-or just go to-
http://www.halleonard.com/dealerAudioTerms.jsp?myName=J.W.%20Pepper%20%26%20Son%20Inc&mp3=48007059.mp3

:)

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