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Author: johng ★2017
Date: 2006-01-12 02:16
What orchestra works have the 2nd clarinet equal to or exceeding the 1st clarinet part in difficulty?
I am preparing to play 2nd in Ravel's Daphnis and Chloe 2nd Suite and having worked on the 1st part as excerpt work for years, I believe the 2nd part is just as difficult. I say this after having spent about 9 months with the thing.
Do you agree with me.....and what other orchestral works have the 2nd part equaling the 1st in difficulty?
(Funny, I can hear the principal players gaffawing already)
johng
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Author: Scotti
Date: 2006-01-12 02:22
Dvorak Symphony No. 6. The third movement has a brutal lick with the 2nd bassoon that is by far the toughest thing in the symphony, but something the first part doesn't go near.
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Author: Clarinetgirl06
Date: 2006-01-12 02:27
Sorry, this isn't an orchestral piece, but the 2nd clarinet part in Northwind March for Concert Band is greatly harder than 1st part. High, fast, and staccato. I was moved down to 2nd part last year from 1st part so the 2nds could get more power.
I notice in 2nd orchestral parts that it usually as more accidentals thrown in which can be challenging for the hands. Lots of times the 2nd part is harder when it is unison with the 1st part, but in a lower octave. The high octave in the 1st part will usually lay better in the fingers, while the 2nd clarinet must do some fancy finger work (example, Lord of the Dance when the 16th note jumps take over the melody). I'd much rather play 1st part on it any day because it is so much easier.
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Author: ron b
Date: 2006-01-12 02:38
Gaffawing principals? Sure hope not, John. No one's part is any more, or less, important that anyone else's. A gaffawing attitude is *not* welcome in any adult outfit I've ever played in.
I've played some second parts that were really tough. I just don't remember tonight what they were. I do know... they weren't funny.
- r![[cool]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/cool.gif) n b -
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Author: GBK
Date: 2006-01-12 03:20
Clarinetgirl106 wrote:
> example, Lord of the Dance when the 16th note
> jumps take over the melody
Lord of the Dance? What volume orchestral excerpt book is that one in? ![[wink]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smilie3.gif)
Daphnis et Chloe Suite II is a monster for either 1st or 2nd. Even with some unusual fingering tricks, it's no picnic.
Both La Peri (Dukas) and Sorcerer's Apprentice (Dukas) can be quite a handful for the 2nd player.
Other pieces which come to mind:
Rapsodie Espagnole (Ravel)
Le Sacre du Printemps (Stravinsky)- all 3 parts!
Overture to "Donna Diana" (Reznicek)
...GBK
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Author: Clarinetgirl06
Date: 2006-01-12 03:25
lol, GBK. I know Lord of the Dance isn't a hugely popular orchestral work and is more modern. Although, it is very challenging for HS and has been played in All-State Orchestra before. It took me a hand full of hours on this piece. Sorry if it was too elementary...
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Author: Sylvain
Date: 2006-01-12 03:25
Shostakovith 1st has a fun second part too...
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Sylvain Bouix <sbouix@gmail.com>
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Author: TonkaToy
Date: 2006-01-12 14:03
I'll second the nomination of Sorcerer's Apprentice.
I had gone through college and graduate school studying with orchestral players and thought I had a pretty good handle on things. However, when I got my first job in an orchestra the second concert of the season was a Pops concert with Sorcerer's Apprentice. My first reaction was, "Oh ****", my second reaction was, "I wish someone had told me about this", and my third reaction was, "I know what I'll be doing all week".
Sorcerer's Apprentice on one rehersal was not my idea of fun.
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2006-01-12 14:39
I found Smetna's Moldeau [my sp ??, I rather like Moldy Do], 2nd cl part, trying to transpose the C to my Bb, to be very difficult, if not impossible, and I recall some 1st/2nd duets where the 2nd is back and forth across the break, [cross fingerings, PLAN AHEAD!] . At the risk of "treading dangerously", isn't the word we are listening for "gUffaw" = boisterous laughter, rather than "gAffe"= social blunder ?? AM thots, Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: Mark G. Simon
Date: 2006-01-12 17:16
The 2nd clar part of D & C does indeed contain some nasty stuff. I would guffaw at anyone who claimed it *wasn't* at least as difficult as the 1st part.
The 2nd clarinet solo in the 1st movement of Sheherezade (the arpeggios) is especially important because it is the only part carrying the rhythm at that point. You drag there, and you're dragging the whole orchestra.
Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana--Mediocrates (2nd cent. BC)
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Author: Morrigan
Date: 2006-01-12 22:04
I have to disagree about the Rite of Spring! I recently played 1st in that, and I felt like the other 4 clarinets had it MUCH harder than me. Those bass clarinet parts... phew!
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Author: Danny Boy
Date: 2006-01-12 23:14
If only more players would realise that while the part for the second player may 'look' easier, by the time you have factored in the duties of a second player...most works have a 'more difficult' second part.
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Author: clarinets1
Date: 2006-01-14 17:30
okay, so where does one find the complete clarinet parts to the Daphnis and chloe? it is not in the IMC excerpt books, nor in the Bonade excerpt book. is there one out there that i am not aware of?
thanks,
JK
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Author: GBK
Date: 2006-01-14 18:23
clarinets1 wrote:
> okay, so where does one find the complete clarinet parts to the
> Daphnis and chloe? it is not in the IMC excerpt books, nor in
> the Bonade excerpt book. is there one out there that i am not
> aware of?
> thanks,
As is the case for learning ANY orchestral piece ....
Forget the excerpt books.
Buy the original parts...GBK
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Author: DavidBlumberg
Date: 2006-01-14 19:08
There are some parts which ya can't get at kalmus, etc as they just aren't availiable. That's where the teacher comes in often and makes a copy of the part.
If you are auditioning for an Orchestra, typically they will send you a copy of the part.
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Author: crnichols
Date: 2006-01-14 20:48
You can acquire the parts to Daphnis and Chloe from Kalmus. They have a website, http://www.kalmus-music.com. You can also acquire many other complete parts to standard repertoire from them also. They are also relatively inexpensive, and they ship very quickly.
Christopher Nichols
1st Infantry Division Band
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Author: Chris Hill
Date: 2006-01-15 05:19
Whenever we play Symphony Fantastique I'm glad I don't have to play the second clarinet part in the last movement. It makes me not feel so bad about playing the Eb part!
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