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Author: bwilber
Date: 2005-12-30 20:15
I have been reading on another site that a well-made rubber (because it's a natural material) is every bit as good a clarinet as Grenadilla wood. Does anyone know what or who makes a good, well-made rubber clarinet? Thanks.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2005-12-30 20:26
bwilber wrote:
> I have been reading on another site that a well-made rubber
> (because it's a natural material) is every bit as good a
> clarinet as Grenadilla wood.
"Hard rubber" (the material you're referring to) is rubber, but far from its natural state. My real point is:
"What has a natural material to do with whether or not soimething sounds good?"
Unless you believe in animism (which perhaps you do - it's entirely possible, and I mean no disrespect in suggesting so) the material should be able to produce the sound you're looking for and be aesthetically suitable to you, no more, no less.
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2005-12-30 21:01
Hi B W - An archives Search for "Hard Rubber" will turn up a lot of our previous discussions, and perhaps dispel some mis-information which the material names produce. Most of our best [non-glass] mps are made from sulfur-et al "hardened" [crosslinked] rubber, now generally a synthetic, rather than a natural, elastomeric rubber polymer [polyisoprene]. The result of hardening is to produce a THERMO-SET resin, which differs from most "plastics" which are THERMOPLASTIC resins. The differences are in their reaction to heat and often in flexibility. On back, Linton was awarded a US patent on a polypropylene bassoon, I had one once and it was quite [too much?] flexible, I called it my rubber baffoon. Read up, Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: bwilber
Date: 2005-12-30 21:21
Hi Don. I am new to the board. The only way I know how to go back in the older files is to hit older messages. How do you do an archive search for rubber clarinet? Thanks.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2005-12-30 21:27
bwilber wrote:
> How do you
> do an archive search for rubber clarinet? Thanks.
Click the Search link at the top of the message list.
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2005-12-30 21:37
Henry Lazarus played exclusively on a hard rubber clarinet, which he said he preferred to wood. There's nothing inherently wrong with it, or any other product that has the necessary qualities -- stability, water resistance, easy workability and the like.
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Author: BobD
Date: 2005-12-30 22:08
It is my understanding that the relatively new Forte' clarinet is made from hard rubber and that it is a good horn. The Ridenour T147 was made from hard rubber but the newer horns from Ridenour may be ABS plastic. You would have to check with both sources of these horns for details. How a hard rubber or even a thermoplastic clarinet plays and sounds most likely has more to do with what is done to it after the molding process than with the material itself. There has been much prior discussion on this on this Board, as has been pointed out above. Opinions abound.
Bob Draznik
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Author: L. Omar Henderson
Date: 2005-12-30 22:36
The Forte' is made of ABS plastic. Tom's TR147 was made of hard rubber but I am not sure about his new Arioso line of clarinets.
L. Omar Henderson
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Author: bwilber
Date: 2005-12-30 23:02
Anybody compared the Forte with the TR147? The Forte is about $400.00 and I think the TR147 is about $800.00. Thanks.
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Author: pewd
Date: 2005-12-31 01:19
i, and some adult friends, tested some brand new tr147's. 6 of them i think. all broke within 30 minutes; bent keys, cork falling off, leaky pads, etc. a disaster. pieces of scrap, the lot of them; e.g., CSO's.
i've had a forte for about a year, its solidly built, and plays very well for a student horn. i believe i've replaced 1 or 2 pieces of cork in that year's time, no other maintenance has been required.
- Paul Dods
Dallas, Texas
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Author: Bartleby
Date: 2005-12-31 09:11
Many people who have owned one are quite keen to sing the praises of the Hanson SE clarinet.
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Author: saxlite
Date: 2005-12-31 13:52
Have had excellent results with my Hard Rubber Ridenour Arioso; use it whenever I travel or play outdoors. Never had a problem; sounds almost as good as my Selmers. Don't know about the latest production series.
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Author: BobD
Date: 2006-01-01 15:29
"Hard Rubber Ridenour Arioso"
Hmmm.....that's interesting. Do you believe it's really hard rubber?
Bob Draznik
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Author: senior
Date: 2006-01-01 20:12
I have been playing a Arioso ASB-101 from Ridenour for over a year and have no complaints at all. I prefer it to most other clarinets I have tried. Quality workmanship, very good intonation and a very nice sound, reasonalbly priced. All of this, of course, is my personal opinion. You have to try for yourself. It may or may not work for you.
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Author: DavidBlumberg
Date: 2006-01-01 20:19
I've never tried a hard rubber clarinet that I liked, and have tried many.
I'm old school about that.
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Author: saxlite
Date: 2006-01-02 03:09
RE: Arioso clarinet being hard rubber-- got it directly from Tom; he told me it was hard rubber. YMMV.
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2006-01-02 03:35
The same qualities of stability and machinability that make hard rubber a somewhat better mouthpiece material than wood, also make it at least as good a clarinet body material as wood. The only downside is appearance (hard rubber will gradually turn olive-greenish as the plasticizers offgas with time, or whatever the process is as Dr. Omar can explain if necessary).
Arioso bass clarinets are certainly hard rubber -- I had to do a bunch of grinding on the one I owned for a month, besides the fact that as saxlite said, Tom told him so.
A couple of years ago I had in my possession two otherwise identical Kohlert-Winnenden bass clarinets; one grenadilla and the other hard-rubber. They played as identically as any two instruments could, and if anything, the hard-rubber one may have had a slightly better sound.
I've played some pretty darned good older hard-rubber clarinets. My own "A" clarinet is one, and plays as well as any wood "A" I've tried.
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Author: bwilber
Date: 2006-01-02 11:10
I am mainly a collector and just play the clarinet as a hobby, but my favorite clarinet is not wood, but it must be hard rubber as it was an olive greenish color when I got it off of Ebay for $20.00. I buffed out the color, but that is what it looked like when I got it. I have owned a Selmer Series 9, a Buffet E-11 and several others that I have resold back on Ebay. But right now, I still own a bunch of Buffets, including a R-13 and a couple of of Leblancs, including one that retailed for over $3000.00 new and like I said, my favorite one is the one I paid $20.00 for. I like it because it seems to have the least amount of harshness when I go to the upper register.
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Author: Brent
Date: 2006-01-02 15:02
I have a Selmer Paris hard rubber clarinet with a SN beginning in, IIRC, "L". It has a one-piece body and is full boehm. It plays a lot like other earlier Selmers that i have played, but i have problems with it because the low Eb key gets in the way of my right pinky (or i am clumsy enough to not be able to miss it...).
When i told him about it over the phone, Ralph Morgan assured me that Selmer did not make this instrument. After seeing it in person, he decided that they actually did.
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Author: bwilber
Date: 2006-01-03 11:23
Would you mind telling what model the hard rubber Pruefer is that you really like so much? Thanks, Bonnie.
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