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Author: Wayne Thompson
Date: 2005-12-21 17:49
Simple question. There are on line resources that list the parts that are required for an orchestral work. For example, Ravel's orchestration of "Pictures at an Exhibition" uses 2 clarinets and an alto sax. I've been poking around for an hour and can't find such a reference. Will someone remind me? This morning I am specifically looking for what's needed for Mozart's Haffner Symphony and for the Cosi Fan Tutte Overture.
Thanks,
Wayne Thompson
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Author: GBK
Date: 2005-12-21 17:58
Cosi Fan Tutte Overture: 2 clarinets in C
Haffner Symphony: 2 clarinets in A (no clarinets used in movements 2 and 3)
...GBK
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Author: GBK
Date: 2005-12-21 18:14
BTW - Pictures at an Exhibition (Ravel orchestration) also uses a bass clarinet ![[wink]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smilie3.gif) ...GBK
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Author: Merlin
Date: 2005-12-21 20:37
Isn't the bass clarinet in Pictures a double for the second clarinet player? Or is it a third part for the clarinet section?
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Author: BG ★2017
Date: 2005-12-22 01:10
The part that I have in front of me,as I type, shows that the first and second clarinets are printed together, but on separate lines, and a completely different part, not at all doubled for the bass clarinet. It means that it has to be played by three different clarinet players. This is also confirmed in the newest version, fourth edition, of the David Daniels book Orchestral Music.
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Author: Wayne Thompson
Date: 2005-12-22 15:30
Thanks, all.
The Lucks and Kalmus were what I remembered and could not find. And these will answer most of my questions.
However, GBK's mentions of C and A clarinets brings a new question: how do you know that? The two catalogues don't mention the key of the clarinets.
W
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2005-12-22 19:13
Sometimes you can pick it up from Excerpts books, sometimes one of us will pick it up from parts we own and sometimes, if you've been around as long as GBK and you've played every work that was ever written and you remember everything you've ever learned or done..... you just know. ![[rotate]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smiley25.gif)
Best regards,
jnk
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Author: GBK
Date: 2005-12-22 19:20
I haven't been around THAT long , but I have played a lot of works and have a pretty good library of parts and scores ...GBK
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2005-12-22 20:30
As I recall from playing Pictures (Ravel orch.) with a community orchestra a few years back, the bass clarinet and alto sax had separate parts, independent of the Bb clarinets (I don't recall if the 1st and 2nd Bb players had individual parts or were double-lined on one part -- I was too busy juggling the bass clarinet and alto sax parts to notice).
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Author: Terry Stibal
Date: 2005-12-22 21:33
Sometimes the listing doesn't give all of the details, either. The various Broadway show rights holders have listings of their instrumentation, but often the oddities like Eb clarinet and soprano saxophone will be omitted from their listings. Similarly, the wonderful overview book Let's Put On A Musical, a "lay person's guide" to the stuff associated with a Broadway show, is inconsistent with itself on occasion.
Ideally, the best guide is the score for what you'll be playing. For many years, I assumed that the wonderful countermelodies in Gliere's Russian Sailor's Dance (from the opera The Red Poppie) were only found in band arrangements, since I had never run into in in the orchestra version (and had always played bassoon on same as a result). However, down here one of the community groups did it with "real" music, with notations in Russian and all, and there was the bass clarinet, nice as you please.
leader of Houston's Sounds Of The South Dance Orchestra
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