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Author: Katelyn
Date: 2005-12-02 01:20
I'm a junior in high school, and my band director just got an Eb soprano clarinet (christened 'Pip') for REALLY cheap, like $200. We're doing our chair tests in a week, and myself and a friend are in line to be first and second chair, so our director is letting us 'have a go at it' first.
Could I have some tips? Thanks!
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Author: ClariBone
Date: 2005-12-02 04:42
Run Far and Fast!!! Beware the power of the Effer. Don't let its small seemingly innocent form fool you. The Effer is far more dangerous. Seemingly harmless, the Effer will unleash a fury unlike any other. As a matter of fact, I believe the government has plans in place to use the Effer as a method of torture or an alternative to capital punishment.
*The view expressed above is my honest opinion (well not so honest, come to think of it)*
In all seriousness, be prepared to spend countless hours mastering this little beast, but in the end it should be worth it, right?!?! Muwahahahahahaha!!!!!!!
Clayton
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Author: vjoet
Date: 2005-12-02 12:40
The Eb has a tendency to be very flat in the altissimo, so be forewarned. Make sure you air is fast and middle tongue arched, and back tongue low. If you have time, you might also experiment with the alternate fingerings to find, on that instrument, which fingerings are best in tune.
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Author: Tony Beck
Date: 2005-12-02 12:48
Katelyn,
Clayton may be on to something here. They are small and cute, but they can be a lot like dealing with the puppy that chews up everything in the house.
I too recently picked an old Noblet that the pawn shop thought they would never get rid of. It had a lot of problems and was a monster at first, but the price was, as you say, really cheap.
At first it was extremely bright and had nothing below mezzo piano, almost like playing a bagpipe chanter in the house! My wife was ready to banish me to the back yard. Now that it’s sorted out it sounds a lot better. Plus it’s a blast to play. If your band’s instrument doesn’t play well, get it overhauled or you will be hating life.
Effers are very responsive. You will hear every fingering foible. If you brush the D# key on the way by, the director will know. If your finger lifts and key work aren’t perfectly even, “grace notes” will appear. Most Bb and A horns cover these problems, but not the little sopranino. It will take time to sort this out. (I haven’t yet, and don’t expect to soon either!)
There are a lot of neat Eb parts in marches, particularly the Italian and German marches from the turn of the last century. The Civil War vintage Washington Grays March by Claudio S. Grafulla is a good one too.
I’d say go for it, especially if you like parts that WILL be heard over the rest of the band. Don’t give up the lower clarinets though, the effer will help you play those better.
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Author: Bob Phillips
Date: 2005-12-02 17:21
Yeah, I love the effer, but don't have one.
I used to use it to teach small people to play clarinet. Had to fight my tendancy to steal it from the kids, though.
Bob Phillips
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Author: BassClarinetGirl
Date: 2005-12-03 17:48
Ah, the beloved effer.
I love to hate it.
Actually, I started playing the Effer last year as a junior in high school, as well. It took quite a bit of practice, but I really love to play it now. Tuning can be a problem, but my effer isn't terrible, although there are a few notes that I have to watch. I play it as much as possible, but with high school band music, you will probably not have a part for the effer every time, so I've been practicing solos on it, as well as clarinet chior music (although, for Clarinet Chior, I usually am relegated to playing alto, as I'm the only one that actually likes playing that, as well). I have found this "bucky little devil" has made me better on the Bb clarinet, because like Tony Buck said, your director will know if you accidentally nail a sliver key in the middle of a run (but of course, I've done that more than a few times...)! If it seems like it is a clarinet you really want to learn to play, take it home, practice it, and see if it is right for you.
Good Luck!
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Author: bob49t
Date: 2005-12-03 18:59
I got a great Eefer from Amati in Prague a couple of years ago(previous posts on Amati etc.
My orchestral pal Heather (picc) and I have been employed several times to help demolish old and slightly crumbly concert halls around Scotland. Got no credits for it though, but Perth now has a new Concert Hall and Aberdeen has had to be totally refubished.
Powerful little beasties these Eb's and great fun to play..... noone escapes !
Go for it as a definite "maybe"
RT
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Author: Katelyn
Date: 2005-12-10 00:27
Thanks a bunch, everyone. My concert was yesterday. I couldn't get a reed for the effer, (the old one was chipped - my friend's doing ) so I didn't play it. I'll probably end up playing it later, though, seeing as I've got the smaller fingers. Whether they'll be more precise is yet to be seen...my chair test takes a bit more precendence at the moment. Thanks again, though. I love you guys! I don't have a teacher of my own, and I'm stuck with a plastic Bb Artley for a while. This site has always come in handy.
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Author: ohsuzan
Date: 2005-12-10 14:10
Katelyn --
You can cut down a regular Bb reed for the eefer. Just fit it at the top of the mouthpiece, and take a small saw or strong scissors or razor cutter and remove as much of the butt of the reed as necessary to get it to fit.
Susan
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Author: Katelyn
Date: 2006-04-18 21:10
Hey everyone...just thought I'd update a bit...
Beacock's finally came in with a shipment of Eb reeds, so I finally got some for it. It's coming along nicely, though it is taking a while to get the hang of. All the girls in wind ensemble just think it's adorable (they haven't tried playing it yet). I actually took your advice, Susan, and sawed off a reed. That worked really well. Not well enough for our concert, but decently all the same. All in all, I think I like the regular old Bb soprano the best. Maybe I'll persuade some unsuspecting freshman to take it up...Bwa ha ha!!! *grins*
Post Edited (2006-04-18 21:10)
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Author: Danny Boy
Date: 2006-04-18 22:19
Personally I always play B flat reeds on the E flat...in fact I use my first choice reeds. Luckily, my Leblanc Opus has a barrell that means there is no need to clip the reed down.
Learning to play the E flat is definitely worthwhile. The amount of players who say 'oh I don't play E flat', well why on earth not? Think of all the great parts there are out there, and that's without even mentioning marching bands.
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Author: Ebclarinet1
Date: 2006-04-19 14:25
Am really glad you're excited about playing the Eefer as it is a lot of fun. Often in the older band arrangements of orchestral overtures you play the concert master's parts from these works. Often you are up there skying with the piccolo and flutes above the rest of the band. Sousa marches are generally great Eefer parts too and my high school had an arrangement where I had the piccolo obligato in Stars & Stripes Forever. That was way cool.
Because of this you are almost always a soloist as YOU CAN BE HEARD. As a consequence you must be very careful of your intonation. Sit with a tuner and see where your good and bad notes are and decide if you can you use addoitional keys to make those notes more in tune. High E is an especially bad note on many Eefers but you can generally add the sliver key to get it in tune. These intonation problems are compounded in that the flutes and piccolos are going SHARP as you're going flat. A short barrel is an easy fix for that problem and I usually carrry one extra in my case for those sorts of gigs.
I started on Eefer 41 years ago, so my opinions might be different from a person who started on Bb and transferred to Eefer. Eefer is more of an embouchure test than the Bb clarinet. You need to keep a pretty tight embouchure in order to control the sound a little bit better. Some Bb players find that going to the Eefer offers much less resistance and they blow too easily. For a long while I was playing 4-5 strength reeds but now I use 3- 3 1/2 strength and sound better, but you might want to experiment with that too. Everyone is different. I use chopped off Bb reeds or use a barrel that will allow you to use a Bb reed without chopping.
Above all HAVE FUN WITH IT!
Eefer guy
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Author: Katelyn
Date: 2006-04-20 20:25
Man, you can say that again with the embouchure. Yesterday I was doing some long tones on it, and THAT was fun. (Note sarcasm) But they were helping, and I want to get to a higher reed number, at least on Bb. They do help make your tone better as you go up, right? Like a 4 generally has a better tone than a 2 1/2, or is just because those who have enough chops to play a 4 are almost guarenteed to have better tone already? I'm playing a 2 1/2 V12 right now...
I had know idea sawed off Bb reeds were so popular! My director got a 'really high quality' mouth piece for the Epher (aka, really high price) but it is too small for the barrel. Is there any specific brand of reeds and whatnot that you'd recommend? But it's probaby more personal preference, right?
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Author: nate
Date: 2006-04-20 20:35
good job with the your long tones and good luck with your tone....
but question, if you get better will you switch completly of to the effer?
and another question... for effer guy about the Sousa Marches, do directors look highly upon this instrument? Or is that just a myth?
`nate`
thank you
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Author: Katelyn
Date: 2006-04-20 20:43
My dear Nathan, of course I won't switch completely. Our director doesn't need a full time epher, and why would I want to sacrifice all those delicious solo parts I have now as first chair? I'm sorry, but the only way you'll get any is if you challenge and win. You can play the epher all you want, though. Jazz Ensemble is completely your territory, you know that!
And welcome to the Board, by the way.
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Author: nate
Date: 2006-04-20 20:51
Thanks for the welcome my good first chair friend.
Thanks for the Jazz Band thing but I must say that First chair in Wind Ensemble is looking quite nice right now. Besides your fingers are smaller than mine which makes it easyer to play the effer, I think you should go for it. You'd do great.
`nate`
thank you
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Author: Cuisleannach
Date: 2006-04-21 01:04
The eefer I learned on required me to transpose a half step up in the altissimo. It was actually kind of interesting as the Eb part in Rite of Spring often changes to clarinet in D. I really enjoyed playing Eb but for the orchestral repetoire you've gotta be able to transpose. It's sort of like Bass clarinet....to be truly proficient in bass you should be able to handle both bass and treble clefs (and tenor clef if you want to do the Bach 'cello suites).
Have fun!
-Randy
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Author: Ebclarinet1
Date: 2006-04-21 12:46
I have had directors hsave one of two extreme reactions to the Eefer.
Some are delighted that I can play it in tune and treasure me. Others have heard all the bad press and try to keep me from playing it (I play oboe, English horn plus the whole family of clarinets so there is always so,mething else for me to do), giving me another part.
In the marches the Eefer really does add pepper to the piece. In many pieces these are an octave above the Bb parts so they are really skying. Sousa would occasionally add little trills and things for the Eefer too. I did one last summer and the Bb's all turmed around thinking I was ad libbing something! No it was what Sousa wrote.
Eefer guy
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2006-04-21 15:26
Kate (of the "Kate & Nate Show"? ) wrote:
"I want to get to a higher reed number, at least on Bb. They do help make your tone better as you go up, right? Like a 4 generally has a better tone than a 2 1/2 ..."
This is a common misconception among less experienced players. If your last sentence were true, a 6 would be even better than a 4 and the best players would be using lightly sanded sections of 2x4's. Actually, the best tone (not to mention greatest comfort) is most likely to come when the reed, mouthpiece, clarinet and player reach a proper balance and, in this context, more is not always better. In my experience, a reed that is too light for my mouthpiece will tend to be "buzzy" sounding in the lower chalumeau range, harsh in the clarion and lower altissimo, and unable to reach higher altissimo (e.g., absent extreme biting, the standard G6 fingering will want to come out as C#6). Also, notes in the higher clarion and altissimo range will want to come out on the flat side. On the other hand, a reed that is to heavy for my mouthpiece tends to sound airy (increasingly so at lower dynamic levels) and unfocused.
The right strength is somewhere in between. And, while there are certainly exceptions and with allowances for variations in mouthpiece choice, I suspect that the majority of good experienced players operate at reed strengths equivalent to around 3 to 3.5 (standard Vandorens and their equivalents) or 3 to 4 (Vandoren V12's and their equivalents). (Note too that while, for any given brand of reed, increasing numbers generally indicate increasing resistance, between brands there really is no standardization. You can find reed strength comparison charts, e.g., in the Woodwind & Brasswind catalog. You might find taking a look at one interesting and instructive.)
I think a source of this misconception in less experienced players is the fact that they generally start out (at least ideally start out) with a low-resistance setup -- a relatively low-resistance mouthpiece such as a Hite Premier or Fobes Debut or one of the many other "beginner" mouthpieces that have begun to make their way into the market or, perhaps, a Vandoren 5RV and a fairly light reed, e.g., a Rico Royal #2 or its equivalent. This kind of setup makes it easier for them to produce a rather pleasing tone without undue discomfort while the muscles of their embouchure develop. However, as those muscles develop and the range of notes they can play expands, they begin to notice that their light reeds are now too light for their mouthpiece. Moving up a number restores balance, at least temporarily but, if they are using a low-resistance mouthpiece (rather than the dreaded B45), the cycle will likely repeat itself because they are still developing and are still a couple of "numbers" below the optimum strength for their mouthpiece with an experienced player. In other words, starters generally do outgrow their initial setup. The idea that can accompany this process, however, is "as I become a more experienced/better player, I need a heavier reed so reed strength must be a gauge of ability (and I won't really be good until I use at least a 5)." A side-effect of this reasoning is games of one-upmanship ("I'm using a #4. What are you using?") where a player using a perfectly appropriate (for his/her mouthpiece) #3 is made to feel somehow inadequate by someone who is quietly suffering great discomfort when playing and perhaps putting himself in danger of suffering a stroke in the near future!
So, to recognize that a given level of reed strength may be too light for your current situation and to respond to that by trying heavier reeds is perfectly natural and good sense. To set goals like "I want to be playing #4.5 Vandoren regulars by next year's state competitions," on the other hand, is nonsense.
Take a look at this website to see how mouthpieces can vary in design:
http://www.vandoren.com/en/clarinetbb.html
then click on "choose your mouthpiece" (which IMO should be labelled "choose your reed") to see how different reed strengths match up with different mouthpieces.
Best regards,
jnk
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