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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2005-12-06 13:28
Hi
On bass clarinet I have the very high E adn then the C# a third below it. What would be the best fingering for that?
Thanks.
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2005-12-06 13:53
CB - I'll put my best bass together and see what blows well.. Off the top of my head, if you cant get a sop. cl to play it [as in a comm band,] I'd try overblowing a clarion A or G? and an E/D, if the usual fingerings for sop are not very good. I'm presently learning overblowing on my alto cl to tune-up several high notes in our band's [old/good] L'Arlesienne [2nd] Suite for concert shortly, have a couple of [nearly] solos, beautifully arranged, I'll post the name of the arr. shortly. HELP on fingerings, pliz. Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2005-12-06 14:16
By the way, I hope it was clear I meant the E one octave above the E with three extra lines above the staff.
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Author: archer1960
Date: 2005-12-06 16:07
clarnibass wrote:
> By the way, I hope it was clear I meant the E one octave above
> the E with three extra lines above the staff.
My question would be: what the h*** is the composer doing puttting a bass clarinet part an octave and a half above the staff <Grin>? That would be right in the Sop Cl's nice altissimo range...
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Author: bass9396
Date: 2005-12-06 16:38
You've got some options. You can use a "1 and 1" fingering with the Register Key or simply press the throat Ab key. Both of those work on my Leblanc 430.....The "1 and 1" also works on my R-13 soprano, so you should have some decent luck with that.
The C# works best for me using Thumb, Register, 1st finger, and the first (lowest) right hand side key.
On soprano I use 123(left hand) 23(right hand) and the right pinky Eb/ab key.
Happy hunting.
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2005-12-06 18:02
Bass9396, thanks I will try those fingerings.
Archer1960, it is not something a composer wrote.
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Author: John J. Moses
Date: 2005-12-06 19:59
The "standard fingerings for "high E & C# are:
Thumb + register key, three fingers of your left hand down, with your first finger acting as a vent using the "half-hole". The "high C# just adds two fingers of your right hand. Use the "tuner vent" as needed, that's the right hand Eb/Ab pinky key.
For some alternate fingerings try:
Play a "G" top of the staff, use the register key + the side "G#"
(throat tone) as another vent. Then just put your first two fingers down on your right hand for the "C#", and keep the "G#" vent open.
Another quick solution:
Play "G" top of the staff, this time lift your thumb off the thumb key, keep the register key depressed, that's a pretty good high "E". Now put your first three fingers down on your right hand for the "C#"...thumb still off the thumb key.
Email or call me for more Bass fingering problems...this typing fingerings is tough.
JJM
Légère Artist
Clark W. Fobes Artist
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2005-12-07 04:56
Thanks John, but a question please. Your suggestion (at least the first which you call the standard fingering) looks like the E with 3 extra lines above the staff. So I should finger it the same but overblow an octave? Or maybe I didn't explain very well that I meant the E one octave above that (which is the E on top of the sixth extra line above the staff)?
Thanks.
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Author: John J. Moses
Date: 2005-12-07 05:08
Hi clarnibass, you're right. I gave you the wrong octave fingerings.
Please forgive...we should talk about the extreme altissimo fingerings you are requesting.
JJM
Légère Artist
Clark W. Fobes Artist
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2005-12-07 07:08
I'd use this for E: Sp 1/2 xx|ooo Ab/Eb
And for C#: Sp 1/2 xx|xxo (Ab/Eb)
Same as Bb/A clarinets, but finger 1 closes the top fingerplate but rolled down to uncover the small hole.
But even easier for me as I've had a connection from finger 2 to close the top plate so I can lift finger 1 as on Bb/A clarinets instead of having to roll finger 1 down for the altissimo register.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
Post Edited (2005-12-07 07:11)
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2005-12-07 15:35
Chris P,
I think you are also in the wrong octave.
But my real reason for posting here is to mention that most of the better clarinetists I know do not use the Ab/Eb vent for C# on soprano clarinet (makes the note too sharp). Neither Ridenour nor Arnold recommend it in their fingering charts, either. On some A clarinets (in particular, many Buffet A's), it may be better to leave the Ab/Eb vent off the standard fingering for D as well.
Personally, for the C# you described, I don't use the Ab/Eb vent on my bass, either.
YMMV.
Best regards,
jnk
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2005-12-07 16:42
I must have scrolled down and missed that part about it being the super-altissimo E and C# - but all I can say is WHY?!?!? What does the name 'bass clarinet' imply anyway - an instrument that plays up in the piccolo range? The clue is in the name, and notes THAT high won't have any more quality than squeaks made by putting your teeth on the reed.
And I don't use the Ab/Eb key for the normal alissimo C#, but sometimes if I'm in the altissimo and I don't want to go below the break for a C6, I use oxx|F#/C# xxx Ab/Eb for C6 - it's a little bit sharp though, but it has some use.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
Post Edited (2005-12-07 17:09)
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2005-12-08 05:58
"notes THAT high won't have any more quality than squeaks made by putting your teeth on the reed."
That is not true. Some of the most beautiful bass clarinets sounds I heard were in the high C and D notes. Email me and I can send you samples so you can hear if you are interested.
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Author: lowclarinetman
Date: 2005-12-08 12:27
ok For the High E above really high F on bass clarinet:
The fastest fingering, although not the best in tune in side Ab key.
moving to C# below that is rather easy. The A key plus second to top trill key.
How fast is the passage?? If they are just quarter notes or the like this solution will be fine. If longer tell me and i will give another suggestion.
have fun
bob
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2005-12-10 13:25
Thank you Bob, I tried your fingering and it works fine. I found even an easier way (for me) with help from your suggestion. I play the E with side Ab key as you suggest but also with the register, and then the C# with register, thumb, and first finger leaving the small hole open.
Thanks very much.
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Author: bass9396
Date: 2005-12-10 14:31
Chris P.
You know, I have a 5+ octave range because I can(why climb a mountain, because it's there) Don't knock it if you don't understand it. Let the kid give it a shot.
I would also encourage all soprano clarinetists on this list the try the same stuff. It works, it's fun, and it turns heads. Who wouldn't want to be able to play nothing but 3, 4 and 5 octave scales?
BTW - a late, famous, band composer once wrote me a letter espousing the "nature of the instrument". There's no such thing. If there were then the Flute wouldn't play anything in the staff, and the Bass Clarinet would never make it up into the staff.
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2005-12-10 14:45
Bass9396, the reason I asked is more specific than that. As part of my practice I transcribe solos by other players, and I'm transcribing one that has the high E and C# so wanted to play it.
I try not to do anything just because I can (and I don't just mean clarinet related).
Thanks.
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