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Author: Greek Style
Date: 2005-12-03 10:00
Hi i asked a question a few days ago about the throat f on an oehler and i got my answer. Left thumb, Index finger and second trill. I just wondered If it is the same on the albert. How do you take the throat F on an albert clarinet?
Post Edited (2005-12-03 11:36)
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2005-12-03 12:09
The same as on Oehler (Th xoo Side F|ooo) - think of an Albert system as it's otherwise referred as - Simple system, having only the basic keywork as opposed to the elaborate Oehler system that has all bells and whistles. The basic fingerings are in essence the same.
If it is an Albert system (12 keys and 2 rings) then it will only have 2 side keys - the side F key (the lower of the two) and a trill key (that overlaps the F key).
In the UK Albert system and Simple system are pretty much interchangable names for the same system - simple being in terms of the fact most keys are closed standing lever keys like the 8-keyed flutes or 6-keyed piccolos of old.
And simple systems can have the Barret side key fitted as well (for Eb/Bb and F/C with only one touch, the two top joint rings for fingers 2 and 3 determining which note sounds when fingers 2 or 3 are raised) or just 2 rings for fingers 1 and 2 with a vent on the top joint for a better throat F# tuning (and closed for high C using the oxo fingering. Nothing to do with stock cubes) - throat F# normally played as Th ooo Side F|ooo on clarinets without those rings fitted.
And this seperates them completely from Boehm system.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
Post Edited (2005-12-03 13:51)
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Author: Dee
Date: 2005-12-03 12:50
I believe that it is not really correct to refer to the Albert system as Simple system. Although names are often used interchangeably, based on my reading, the basic evolution of that keying system is as follows:
Simple system --> Mueller system --> Albert system --> Oehler system
Naturally there were variants along the way and sometimes keys were added without really changing the name so much. All of the above have at one time or another been referred to as the German system. So if someone tells you they have an old German system clarinet, it would behoove you to ask how many keys it has!
Further confusion is caused by the decades long overlap of the production of each change. The simple system and Mueller system were produced until the late 1800s even though the Albert system was developed in the mid-1800s.
An interesting bit of trivia is that the Albert system was developed AFTER the Boehm system. Note that the Boehm system is not listed in the evolutionary line above. It was an independent change to the clarinet that was unrelated to the clarinet keying systems of the day.
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2005-12-03 13:11
TKS, Dee, very helpful, I'm glad to see you posting again. I wanted to mention the "easy" fingering for the F/C of thumb and second finger, which is a FORK, and possibly of poorer tone quality. Its also the "standard" 2nd finger fingering for C on saxes, so at times the 1st finger plus a "trill" on it is preferable. AM [fuzzy] thots. Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2005-12-03 13:26
From what I've seen the Berlin and Vienna Phil players tend to use the forked fingerings in the upper register only - xox|ooo for Bb and oxo|ooo for C, but in the lower register for Eb and F these fork fingerings are a bit sharp and stuffy.
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2005-12-03 13:40
Thank you Dee for the evolutionary history of the clarinet. I have often wondered about this but never researched whatsoever - guess I'm not much of a reader. I assume the two world wars played a critical role in who plays what now.
.............Paul Aviles
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Author: Alphie
Date: 2005-12-03 22:56
Dee, you forgot the Baermann system developed by Carl Baermann and Georg Ottensteiner of Munich. This is the model that first introduced rings on the top joint to play f#4 without using the side key. On this instrument the side f4-key is replaced with a key on the opposite side for L-ring finger. Duplicate levers for Bb3/F5 and Ab3/Eb5 were also introduced. This is the clarinet used by Richard Muelfeld.
Variations were made by some other makers including the side F4-key.
The Baermann system is the last link to the Oehler and the system that Oscar Oehler based his own system on.
http://www.sfoxclarinets.com/Baermann.html
Alphie
Post Edited (2005-12-03 22:57)
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Author: jim lande
Date: 2005-12-03 23:39
At some point DNA analysis will be needed to determine just how many species are in the clarinet lineage.
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2005-12-03 23:43
> At some point DNA analysis will be needed to determine just how many
> species are in the clarinet lineage.
Don't forget the cloned Alberts from India...
--
Ben
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