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Author: TwrlGrl
Date: 2000-04-06 22:27
I was looking though my All-Region music today and saw a group of notes that look very unfamiliar.
Does anyone know the name of six 32nd notes together with a little 6 (like the 3 under or above triplets) underneath it?
Any bit of information is needed.
Thanks,
TwrlGrl
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Author: Katherine Pincock
Date: 2000-04-06 23:11
I think that, for rhythms like that, there's no particular name; people just tend to call it things like "32nd note sextuplet", since they function the same basic way that a regular sextuplet would, just in a smaller time frame. I hope that helps!
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Author: Alphie
Date: 2000-04-06 23:26
Isn't it supposed to be called "sixtuplet" instead of "sextuplet" in english. (Just curious)
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Author: Dee
Date: 2000-04-07 02:19
Alpie wrote:
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Isn't it supposed to be called "sixtuplet" instead of "sextuplet" in english. (Just curious)
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Mark Charette wrote:
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No - we use the Latin for this kind of counting.
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English is a very illogical language. It gets even worse. If we go to geometry, we use Greek roots. For example a six sided figure is a hexagon.
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Author: Alphie
Date: 2000-04-07 07:55
Dee wrote:
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English is a very illogical language. It gets even worse. If we go to geometry, we use Greek roots. For example a six sided figure is a hexagon.
So, James Brown's song translated into greek whould be: "Like a Hex-machine". OK I got it.
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Author: Dee
Date: 2000-04-07 12:10
Alphie wrote:
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Dee wrote:
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English is a very illogical language. It gets even worse. If we go to geometry, we use Greek roots. For example a six sided figure is a hexagon.
So, James Brown's song translated into greek whould be: "Like a Hex-machine". OK I got it.
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*GROAN*. You know you are making progress, when you can crack jokes in English.
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2000-04-07 17:09
In dance band terminology, I'd call it a "rip" in a fast tempo! Have we another PANDA loose here? Don
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Author: Willie
Date: 2000-04-08 00:59
In our band, we would (jokingly) call this one-e-and-a-make-itfit. I often wonder how many composers who write this stuff have ever tried to play a flute or clarinet. Maybe its one of those vendetta things.
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Author: Dee
Date: 2000-04-08 01:22
Willie wrote:
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In our band, we would (jokingly) call this one-e-and-a-make-itfit. I often wonder how many composers who write this stuff have ever tried to play a flute or clarinet. Maybe its one of those vendetta things.
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I like this one better than your other suggestion. By the way, look at what march composers do to the first clarinets in bands. I think they are miffed that they don't have any violins, so they give us very high, very fast parts and it sometimes lasts for the entire piece.
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Author: Willie
Date: 2000-04-08 03:03
I know what you mean. I actualy had a contra part last year that had several measures in the altisimo. You ever hear a contra up there? It sounds like a very anemic cello. Surely thats not the sound the composer was looking for. Our alto played it and it sounded beautiful.
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Author: Katherine Pincock
Date: 2000-04-08 03:36
Actually, I heard a good explanation for those obscenely high clarinet parts...Sousa, apparently, had flutes in his marching band, but most people didn't, so he doubled the flute part with the clarinet...another beautiful example of a composer saying, "But my orchestration book says that's in the clarinet's range!" ;-)
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Author: Dee
Date: 2000-04-08 04:03
Katherine Pincock wrote:
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Actually, I heard a good explanation for those obscenely high clarinet parts...Sousa, apparently, had flutes in his marching band, but most people didn't, so he doubled the flute part with the clarinet...another beautiful example of a composer saying, "But my orchestration book says that's in the clarinet's range!" ;-)
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Don't get me wrong. A little bit is good, like seasoning in food. A lot is too much. And certain combinations (i.e. unending measures of allegro sixteenths with staccato articulation on altissimo G) are poor unless the clarinetist is very, very good.
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Author: Contragirl
Date: 2000-04-08 16:23
HAHA! I had a sight reading for an audition on Contra, and it was obviously a march. It went into notes up in the ionisphere, and I had to play like high E's and such, and when I attempted to get those high things out, the judges said, "Oh my gosh, Sorry, you can stop there."
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Author: Kim
Date: 2000-04-08 21:54
Never mind marches, have any of you seen the lower parts of Grade 5 & 6 music? Even the second and third clarinets wind up playing in the altissimo. Some composers just don't like clarinets! They don't know where the most beautiful sound is! My director hates the altissimo notes! He has the section play certain parts down an octave so the music sounds more pleasant.
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Author: Dee
Date: 2000-04-08 22:37
Kim wrote:
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Never mind marches, have any of you seen the lower parts of Grade 5 & 6 music? Even the second and third clarinets wind up playing in the altissimo. Some composers just don't like clarinets! They don't know where the most beautiful sound is! My director hates the altissimo notes! He has the section play certain parts down an octave so the music sounds more pleasant.
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Oh altissimo can be beautiful when the player is good enough. It's just that most players haven't really worked it the way it needs to be. It is more difficult.
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Author: Willie
Date: 2000-04-09 05:01
In a concert band, the clarinets have to play the stuff originaly written for fiddles in a full orshestra. When I was in school, our director had the metal clarinets (about 9 or 10 of us) play these high parts as he stated they sounded more like a fiddle than than other clarinets. He worked with us quite a bit on intonation (all clarinets). The judges appearently liked it as they always commented on our clarinet section. We took top honors at all competition. It was also probably the best ear trainig I've ever had.
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Author: Stingo
Date: 2000-04-12 17:58
My only experience with a metal clarinet is one that I bought at a flea market about 20 years ago. I was going to make it into a lamp, but decided first to fix it up to see how it sounded. The upper register sounded almost like the mouthpiece playing without the rest of the clarinet! I can't imagine 10 of these things in an orchestra, working on intonation to sound like "fiddles"!
But then, maybe I should have tried to replace ALL of the pads (=;
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Author: Dave Lee Ennis
Date: 2000-04-13 10:41
I too was in a concert band for about 3 years, and the 1st clarinets were used sometimes like 1st and 2nd violins in an orchestra (Fiddles). Therefore, we did have alot of quick and high notes to play, but I don't know what 32 demisqu's were called! As for clarinets like fiddles, it depends on the player. As one of you said earlier, the clarinet can sound good in the top range, if it has been worked on - and that is what all of the 1st clarinets in that band had to practice, high 'Fiddle' notes. Luckily, I was a 3rd clarinet in that band. (Is any of this making any sense?)
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