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Author: hinotehud ★2017
Date: 2005-12-02 16:33
I have not seen this topic addressed anywhere. Is there a disagreement about a note in measure #101 of the Polacca? This is two measures before "E" in my edition or the "ff con fuoco". I have recordings of Emma Johnson (English) and Serge Dangain (French) where each plays a B natural on beat 3. I learned it as Bb and always heard it that way including Neidich, Manasse, and Meyer. The accompaniment is playing a concert Bdim7 chord there in my edition which would call for a Bb in the clarinet part.
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Author: Tyler
Date: 2005-12-02 20:06
I, of course, can't be sure, but I can't think of anything which would go against your observation of the clarinet needing a concert Ab to fit with the Bdim7 chord. A concert 'A' with it would be very unusual for the time period, as far as I know. I can't wait to seriously play the Weber Concertos in college!
-Tyler
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Author: Morrigan
Date: 2005-12-02 21:31
Yeah I had this discussion too when I was learning it. I ended up doing it as a Bb because a B natural made it sound like a wrong note!
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Author: Iacuras
Date: 2005-12-02 23:13
The version performed by Andrew Marriner has him playing a Bb, and the version I have has it as a Bb as well.
Steve
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Author: GBK
Date: 2005-12-03 03:32
Other than the Emma Johnson or Serge Dangain performances you cited (neither which I own or have heard) I have at least 10 different recordings of Weber 2 and none have the clarinet playing a B natural in that measure.
To cite one very strong case - Tony Pay, who is one of the most learned and respected scholars of authentic instruments and practice, on his 1988 Virgin Classics recording, uses a 9 key clarinet and plays a Bb in that passage ...GBK
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Author: Morrigan
Date: 2005-12-03 04:20
GBK, I consider that recording The Definitive recording. When I performed it recently, I lent this recording to the conductor who edited EVERY part to match the orchestra accompanying Pay.
Of course, *I* didn't play it like Pay!
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Author: hinotehud ★2017
Date: 2005-12-03 13:15
Thank you for these links. I have read a condensed version before. There is no mention of a discrepancy of the solo part or harmony in measure 101. I thought that if two prominent clarinetists would change a note, there must be some uncertainty about what Weber intended and that this issue might have been talked about in the clarinet community.
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Author: donald
Date: 2005-12-04 09:15
that recording by Serge Dangain is very good, by the way. I'd rate it as the best version of the 3rd mvt that i know.
donald
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