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Author: vjoet
Date: 2005-12-02 15:04
Hi,
I'm wondering if anyone could shed any light on 2 barrels that I acquired in the case of a used clarinet I got on ebay. (Very fine clarinet, a 1965 R-13 to replace my 1961 R13 stolen in internet fraud where I had sent it -- Milwaukee -- for overhaul.)
While a don't have a micrometer to measure the bores, both barrel bores appear to be similar in size to the R13 bore. The length of one is 60mm with the Buffet logo, and the other 58mm with no logo.
Since the 1965 R-13 is very in tune with a 66mm length barrel, I don't think they were ever used with this instrument. What instrument would they have been used on?
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Author: BobD
Date: 2005-12-02 15:16
Various possibilities and I'd just be guessing so will pass.
Bob Draznik
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Author: Fred
Date: 2005-12-03 00:01
If they are Buffet barrels, the clarinet may have been owned by a sax player that later learned to double on clarinet. Some sax/clarinet players never make the change to a firm clarinet embouchure and must therefore shorten the stock barrels to keep from playing very flat.
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2005-12-03 01:11
A good theory, Fred, but wow that is 9 mm worth of flat they were trying to correct.
I wonder if they were from a C clarinet with widening of the lower socket to accomodate.
They certainly were not standard Bb stock barrels.
I can guess who the repair person was who absconded with the first of the original poster's horns....that has made the rounds here.
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
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Author: Fred
Date: 2005-12-03 02:40
Not 9mm . . . 6mm and 8mm actually.
Yes, a sax player could be correcting that much or even more.
I know of a good sax player that uses a 56mm barrel which he had professionally cut down to play on a Buffet RC. He played sax for decades before taking up clarinet, and he made the conscious decision to adapt his sax style to clarinet rather than learn a more formal playing style.
It works . . .
Post Edited (2005-12-03 03:47)
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2005-12-03 03:13
I've worked with lots of vintage clarinets of many brands, and have learned that back in the late 1800s and the first part of the 20th century clarinets (even standard Boehm models) were not nearly as standardized in design as they are now. I've seen clarinets that had upper joints that were either shorter or longer than current designs, and therefore required correspondingly longer or shorter barrels to make the overall length of the clarinet correct. So your two barrels may have come off a clarinet that simply had an extended upper joint (as compared to current instruments). I seem to recall a few older V. Kohlerts that were built that way and had barrels as short as yours. As an example of the other end of the spectrum, my 'daily player du jour' is a 1940-ish Penzel-Mueller whose upper joint is a bit shorter than on modern clarinets so it needs about a 68-69mm barrel to play in tune -- which it does very well at A-440 with such a barrel.
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Author: vjoet
Date: 2005-12-03 12:23
Thanks to each of you who responded. I'd never have thought of the sax doubler, or significantly older barrels. Though we'll never know for sure, we at least have possible scenarios. Thanks!
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