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Author: Katrina
Date: 2005-11-29 16:00
Ok, I musta missed this in music theory 18,000 Eons ago, but when a cello part is written in _treble_ clef, does it sound as written??? Or is it an octave lower?????
Thanks in advance for any help!
Katrina
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Author: vjoet
Date: 2005-11-29 16:40
Cellists have their parts written in both treble and base clefs, and freqently a single piece of music will use both--a better solution than a gazillion leger lines. It would sound as written.
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Author: David Peacham
Date: 2005-11-29 17:43
But for a contrary view, see http://www.acmp.net/dvorak/index.shtml.
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Author: Katrina
Date: 2005-11-29 17:50
So is there a lack of consensus on this issue, David???
FWIW, I'm arranging a quartet for violin, clarinet, and accordion, and am having trouble deciding what to do with those pesky treble-clef areas...
EDIT: The voice-leading in one particular area is suggesting that they should be an octave down...
Katrina
Post Edited (2005-11-29 17:51)
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Author: David Peacham
Date: 2005-11-29 17:59
Well, clearly there isn't TOTAL consensus! A search in "cello treble" in Google groups will give more evidence for the wrong octave theory.
I had some very vague memory that cello parts aren't always at the octave you'd expect, which is why I did a quick Google search to see whether I could find any evidence. I can only suggest the obvious: (a) ask a cellist (b) listen to a recording.
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Author: vjoet
Date: 2005-11-30 19:29
David, my goodness! I googled "cello treble" as you suggested. My goodness! Guess my *knowledge* was again faulty. Thanks for helping to clarify. :-)
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Author: Mark G. Simon
Date: 2005-12-01 18:21
In Beethoven's time, the convention was that when the cello played in treble clef the intended pitch was an octave lower than written. In contemporary music the convention is that the cello plays treble clef parts as written. At some historical point inbetween Beethoven and the present, the balance shifted from one convention to the other. Sometimes you have to look at the context to tell which convention is in use. For Beethoven, unless the music you're looking at has been edited to follow the modern practice, I would assume that the treble clef parts are supposed to sound an octave lower.
Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana--Mediocrates (2nd cent. BC)
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Author: Katrina
Date: 2005-12-01 20:42
Thanks, Mark...
I had a feeling there was such a convention! The score I'm working from is the Dover reprint of the older complete Beethoven edition, so I suspect it's meant to be heard an octave lower.
Katrina
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Author: David Peacham
Date: 2005-12-02 08:20
Which quartet, which bar?
I have the Dover edition, and I've got CDs of many if not all the quartets; I'll have a listen.
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