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Author: Brandon Marc
Date: 1999-02-27 22:07
Moenning or Chadash?
Right now I am just using the standard barrel that came with the R-13 clarinet. My instrument is only a year old, but I was interested in getting a Moenning or Chadash barrel to improve my sound and the feel of the instrument. Although here in Hawaii, the clarinet instructors like to play with a "darker" sound, I would still be interested in getting the "less dark" Chadash barrel if it is better. Thanks for your help!
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Author: Hiroshi
Date: 1999-03-01 01:06
1.One big difference between them:Mr.Moennig passed away long ago,whereas Mr.Chadash himself is still working.
I myself think the last thing the originator does is the most important thing since barrel making may be still art not science or technology.
2.What Moennig barrel is?:Mr.Hite elaborates on this at his homepage:http://www.jdhite.com/mouthpieces/shop1.htm
3.I use a Greg Smith mouthpiece with Chadash A barrel reamered together by Greg himself.I think this is the very important process. Some of the old Buffets might have been reamered through mouthpiece-barrel-upper joint.This may be still better.
4.Dark sounds?:Chadash barrel makes my clarinet sound have very much harmonics.I mean if I emit G for example,very many small harmonics are added onto the tone.It is just like the difference between Strad and cheap violins(Maybe I am exagerating too much).
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Author: Brandon
Date: 1999-03-01 01:26
Like it was said, Moennig passed away, but if you can find an older one which he made I would play it rather than a Chadash. I love the Chadash, and play one on my Bb clarinet. However, I would play on an old Moennig if I had one instead. Having played all three(old, new Moennig and Chadash) the older Moennigs have a much darker and fuller sound than the others on my clarinet. The Moennigs also seem to project better.
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Author: Daniel
Date: 1999-03-01 05:00
Personally, If you're going to narrow your choices to those two barrels, i would say go with the Chaddash. Mönnig barrels are not real Mönnig barrels. They are copies using one set of measurements. Nor are they very consitant. Chaddash barrels, being that Guy is still alive and makes them himself, are a much better bet.
Mönnig barrels, atleast the ones i've tried over the last few years, tend to be rather bright and unfocused.
The Chaddash barrels, while still brighter than i care for, are much more focused and have more 'ping' to the sound. (as is my observation and experience).
Don't forget about the other options out there.
Bay and Pyne both make synthetic barrels. While i don't like the sound and feel of them, others do.
Clark Fobes (the barrels i use) makes very good barrels. Excellent focus with a full, rich, dark sound. Plus the resonance is fantastic.
The DEG barrels, though i think they look cool, and they sound fine, i don't think they're as good as even the stock Buffet barrels.
And of course there's the 'CLICK' barrel. But... well... that's just a piece of junk.
Just a reminder, these are my opinions and views of these various barrels. I'm not saying all of them are as i described. Nor am trying to promote a specific barrel.
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Author: Hiroshi
Date: 1999-03-01 06:16
Just an info.In the "reed book",Charles Stier writes the best set of clarinet is:
Morre reed/Bonard-inverted ligature/Kasper#13 mouthpiece/(old)Moennig barrel/(old)Buffet tuned by (late)Moennig.
He saids everyone seeks one in spite of their premium prices.I guess Harold Wright must have one(since he is a student of Ralph MacLane who invented Moennig barrel with late Mr.Moennig).So the darkness you are talking about will be his tonality for examle,I guess.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 1999-03-01 12:03
Hiroshi wrote:
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Just an info.In the "reed book",Charles Stier writes the best set of clarinet is:
Morre reed/Bonard-inverted ligature/Kasper#13 mouthpiece/(old)Moennig barrel/(old)Buffet tuned by (late)Moennig.
He saids everyone seeks one in spite of their premium prices.
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Don't believe everything you read. That's what <B>Steir</B> lusted after; it might not be the same for everyone.
Personally, I lust after Marcellus's tone & musicality combined with John Bruce Yeh's penchant for being able to play well on just about any setup and Larry Comb's technical ability :^)
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Author: steve
Date: 1999-03-01 14:26
mark is right imho...set up is secondary to player..My first lesson with Sidney Forrest had me playing an old selmer signet with a portnoy BP02 and vandoren 3.5 with luyben ligature...he played it, sounded like sidney forrest, and then announced that he didn't like my equipment. Next summer, I had a buffet 80000 series tweaked by moenning, a springer barrell, a stowell-wells mp with morree 4 german 12.5 mm and a bonade lig with the center cut out. He played it, sounded like sidney forrest, and said better, but still needs improvement...I never sounded like sidney forrest, but people liked steve's tone...
steve
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