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Author: pzaur
Date: 2005-11-18 23:52
I'm looking for a solution to my problem of not having a clarinet stand. I had a "Pack-a-Stand" that broke within a year of use. Not very sturdy.
I did a search on clarinet stands and saw recommendations for the K & M model. The only problem is that I can't seem to locate the K&M stand for clarinet. I found it for trumpet/flugel/trombone/bass clar and others, but not the Bb clarinet.
Does anyone have a model number for the K&M stand or know where they can be purchased. I've checked WWBW.
I would like to keep the price under $25 if possible.
Has anyone made their own stands? What did you use as a start and what tools were involved?
-pat
On a side note - I did notice that WWBW has a K&M drink holder listed. I could've used that for college when I did pit work! Definitely make some of the shows much more exciting!
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2005-11-18 23:57
Blayman stand.
Expensive? Yes. But what's worse . . . saving 50 bucks on a K &M stand and having your clarinet tip costing you repairs and possibly a mouthpiece? Or spending the extra fifty and having it last years and saving yourself the worry and extra trouble?
Alexi
US Army Japan Band
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Author: woodwind650
Date: 2005-11-19 00:00
i think it's worth spending the money for a good stand to use. i used a K&M stand in the pit once and after the intermission my clarinet was knocked over with a chip on the mouthpiece. i've been using Blayman stands ever since. although they are very heavy, they seem to be the standard for orchestras and in the theater scene. i've never had to replace one yet and i purchased them a few years ago.
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2005-11-19 00:09
Dear Pat,
I love the K&M. Yes, it is the Trumpet stand. Clarinet is mentioned on the box. It is roughly the same idea as the pack-a-stand with good, old fashioned German workmanship. The only draw back is that the "cone" onto which you stick the horn is actually several inches longer than the barrel, therefore if you do not have a "French Style" case (clarinet bell attached to bottom joint in case) than the pointy end of the "cone" sticks out awkwardly in the case. I have a way around that, allowing the excess to continue into the barrel (standard current Buffet single case).
Two thumbs up !!!!
..........Paul Aviles
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Author: GBK
Date: 2005-11-19 00:30
Blayman stands - Simply the best.
They are heavy, rock solid, and tremendously safe. I've used the same ones for almost 30 years. I wouldn't even consider anything else. I have seen more than a few flutes, oboes and clarinets get accidentally toppled over.
Never seen one on a Blayman stand ever go over...GBK
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Author: larryb
Date: 2005-11-19 02:14
I'm very satisfied with the K&M stand - never had a problem.
I'd get the Blayman stand if I had a car. Otherwise, it is too heavy to carry around (with everything else).
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Author: pzaur
Date: 2005-11-19 02:17
Sorry, I should've added that I need it to be rather portable as I travel between schools. If the stand was for performing, I'd get the Blayman. The greatest (and only) advantage that the Pack-a-Stand had was that it fit in my case.
Paul-
Thanks for the link. That particular one did not come up when I did a search. I must've used wrong key words.
Has anyone had any experience with the Spyder stand?
http://www.wwbw.com/Spyder-Stand-for-Clarinet--Flute-or-Oboe-i81472.music
-pat
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2005-11-19 02:27
Guess the one to which I refer is not pictured but must the the item refered to as "four leg - in bell."
............Paul Aviles
Post Edited (2005-11-19 02:38)
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2005-11-19 03:51
I have the K&M 3 leg stand for years and it is great. I'd say I'm around people that are more likely to tip my clarinet than avarage and nothing happened yet. I checked and if I tip the clarinet on the stand a little it goes right back to standing, I have to tip a lot for it to actually fall.
Maybe a Blayman stand is better but when you have to walk with your bass and Bb clarinets, plus the two stands and a music stand, you'll be glad you have the K&M.
"although they are very heavy, they seem to be the standard for orchestras"
Last time I saw our philharmonic orchestra's clarinetists used an extra chair as a stand, even for the bass clarinet.
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Author: pzaur
Date: 2005-11-19 04:07
I'm not so sure this stand will fit my clarinet! After all, I play on a Bb clarinet, not a "B" clarinet.
http://www.wwbw.com/Konig-and-Meyer-Folding-Clarinet-Stands-i80655.music
"These stands are for A and B clarinets." - from the description
Just kidding!
Paul and Paul, thanks for the link and drawing my attention to the four legged stand option. I hadn't noticed that the first time through the link.
Everyone else, thank you for your input! I've got some products to add to my Christmas list...
-pat
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Author: pewd
Date: 2005-11-19 04:14
>Thanks for the link. That particular one did not come up when I did a
> search. I must've used wrong key words.
their search engine isnt too smart. note that the stand is listed as a 'clarinet standS' with the s.
search on 'clarinet stand' its not found
search on 'clarinet stands' and you find it.
e.g., their search engine needs an exact match, it doesn't make plural words singular for search purposes.
i use 3 legged K&M stands - they fit in a protec case side pocket. i have 4 or 5 of them. work just fine.
- Paul Dods
Dallas, Texas
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Author: sylvangale
Date: 2005-11-19 05:32
The blaymen stand base and peg separate and should fit in a case cover. The sqaure base isn't too heavy that you can't carry it with you. You should have a case cover that can accomadate this... the peg is as wide as the bell. The square base is small.
The K&M is easily knocked over by a careless passerby, it doesn't have the weight support to prevent itself from being knocked over... it's as secure as a camera on a tripod.
On a Blaymen stand you can smack your instrument and even push it a great deal in any direction, but it will return to place... like those weighted punching balloons.
I've had numerous knock over incidents and near misses with my flutes on K&M stands until I picked up my Blaymen. It is VERY much secure.
The only other stands similar to Blayman that I know of are acrylic... which are more expensive than Blayman stands though they look nice. At worst I've heard of alto flutes snapping acrylic pegs, but nothing along the line of standard flutes/oboes. The bad thing about Blayman is that the black paint on the base can scratch off. The pegs are rubber though.
RDG woodwinds list a bunch of different stand types, just so you can see what is available for Clarinets (check out Oboe stuff too, usually interchangable):
http://www.rdgwoodwinds.com/index.php?cPath=6_140
Forrestmusic has an interesting display of even other types:
http://www.forrestsmusic.com/instrument_stands.htm
Woodwind and Brasswind has other odd stands too:
http://www.wwbw.com/search/?src=clarinet+stand&x=0&y=0
Hmm... I can't find an acrylic clarinet peg.
Fluteworld carries the Blayman bases for the cheapest I've seen, but they don't have clarinet pegs... maybe you can find other accesories to make shopping around fun.
I did get RDG to get me a flute peg since I was going to pick it up at the physical store even though they don't deal with flutes (also picked up a base and oboe stand too though)
-Piko
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Author: Ed
Date: 2005-11-19 11:57
I have a K&M stand that fits in the bell to use in a pinch. I use it mainly for times when I am sitting teaching a private student and need to set my clarinet down for a moment and I am going to remain next to it. Otherwise, I swear by the Blayman stands. I wouldn't use anything else. I leave one in the school I teach in and have another that I carry around for gigs. Simply the best and and most secure. It is worth the extra weight to keep my instruments safe.
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Author: Bradley
Date: 2005-11-19 12:37
I have a K&M Screw-together stand like the above poster [actually two, but one is somewhere in one of my orchestra's rehearsal rooms :-( ]. It's the most convenient, because even though the Blayman stands with the pegs separate can fit in a case cover, they're still heavy, not as easy to screw together when rushing and I've seen an Altieri case get messed up because of the sharp edges and weight against the fabric. However, I do steal Phil's from the practise room he leaves it in all the time, so I guess it's not so bad. :-)
Bradley
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Author: hans
Date: 2005-11-19 15:48
pzaur,
Re: "Has anyone made their own stands? What did you use as a start and what tools were involved?"
I made a stand about 10 (?) years ago that worked very well. I wanted a stand that matched my carpet and also didn't leave marks in the carpet.
It requires that you have the part that fits inside the clarinet from an old stand.
Tools required: a saw, a glue gun, a drill, and a utility knife to cut carpet.
- cut a piece of 3/4 inch thick plywood into a square of the size you want.
Bigger is more stable.
- drill a hole in the center that will hold the nut for the vertical piece to
screw into.
- glue a nut that fits the vertical section into the hole in the plywood with
the glue gun
- cover the plywood with carpet and glue it in place with the glue gun
I suppose you could use a piece of dowel and cover it with heat shrinkable tubing if you couldn't get the vertical section from an old stand.
The plywood is heavy so that this results in a very stable stand, but it may not be as portable as you would like. The carpet makes it very "bell friendly".
Regards,
Hans
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Author: John O'Janpa
Date: 2005-11-19 17:02
I have used the K&M stand that accepts up to four pegs for several years now.
It is quite stable, can be shared with neighboring player during breaks. Good if you play an A and Bb, or double on oboe.
I shortened the screw on one of the newer pegs so that it will fold with peg attached. Fits in my goodie bag. (The old pegs already had a short screw.)
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Author: sylvangale
Date: 2005-11-19 19:05
The K&M stand that I had was a 3 leg one with legs that fold back into the stand. I loved it for its compactness, but it was terribly tipsy.
I think Altieri bags are not terribly well equipped to carry much weight in the pockets for even NORMAL use. The music I usually carried for studies caused sagging in my large pocket. My tuner, metronome, and reed case were enouch to cause sagging in the other pocket. The fabric is just too thin. I keep the base in the main compartment with my oboe which works out fine. If you keep the base around the peg, the pegs screw can actually scratch the base.
-Piko
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Author: Ron Jr.
Date: 2005-11-28 15:12
I have two K&M clarinet stands and I had to make some modifications to make them better.
I noticed that as condensation drips down the bell it gets trapped between the bell and the plastic peg. It created discoloration on the bottom of the bell. So I added three sticky felt pads to the plastic peg of the sand. This keeps the bell from not touching the plastic peg and trapping the condensation between the peg and the bell.
I noticed that as I put the clarinet on the peg, I would hear the tip of the peg slide along the bore for about a second. I didn't want the inside of my clarinet to be scratched so I shaped a small piece of electrical tape on the tip of the peg.
After my second close call when my clarinet teetered slowly and I had to make a save, I filled up the peg with clay to make it heavier. This makes it much sturdier. For my travel K&M peg I want it lighter so I haven't added the clay. But I am MUCH more vigilant when I play with others.
Ron Jr.
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Author: Brenda Siewert
Date: 2005-11-28 15:24
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I travel with a wooden Kohlert stand. It's substantially made where the least little tap doesn't tip over the whole thing--unlike the Spyder stand or the type that fold into the bell. It unscrews and packs away nicely in my clarinet bag. Here's a photo.
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Author: Brenda Siewert
Date: 2005-11-28 18:50
Thanks Hans. You can at least see the stand a bit clearer and see how it screws together.
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Author: Brenda
Date: 2005-11-28 19:58
For use in my studio I have a heavy metal stand (sorry, don't know the make). To make it more bell friendly I made a sleeve out of black felt so the bell doesn't stick to the metal part at the bottom of the rod. It fell once and the rod broke straight off. My husband fixed it, but it stays home now and I travel with a lighter one.
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Author: Terry Stibal
Date: 2005-11-29 15:53
I've faced the instrument stand dilemma for many years, and have the additional disability of usually playing the clarinet/bass clarinet/saxophone (baritone usually) /bassoon parts. While you can get stands for each of these, there's no one "universal field theory" solution available.
So, I assembled my own. My objectives were to a) avoid the dreaded tip-over problem; b) not hold the baritone by the bell (as with a wrap around clamp type of stand); c) keep it compact (for easy trips into and out of the pits and bandstands; d) keep it portable; and e) make it as versatile as possible.
In the end, I succeeded with a design that my father pioneered back in the 1960's, a design I call the "modified H-bar stand base". The original is long since gone, stolen by my future son-in-law's brother after work at Loretto Hilton theater in Saint Louis back in the 1970's. However, I recreated it on my own ten years later, and then rebuilt it to "quality standards" in the early 1990's.
The stand uses three pieces of oak 2x4 finish grade lumber, morticed to fit together in an H-shape as seen in the photos. (This latest time, I had this done at a planing mill with the oak, but I did the recreations with standard 2x4 lumber and handtools at home.)
The long leg of the H is the "cross piece of the letter, with the ends protruding outside of the two short pieces. Once assembled and provided with rubber feet, it's as stable as the Great Pyramid, taking an thirty pound plus pull to even tip the thing.
Through the wood are a number of screws to hold the pieces together, along with a series of through holes for the mounting of the hardware. Through two of the holes, a bolt is threaded through "T-nuts" mounted on top and bottom surfaces, with about three-quarters of an inch protruding at the top. These bolt ends serve as the mounting points for diecast aluminum bass clarinet and saxophone stands purchased back in the 1970's. (The manufacturer is long since out of business, but I look for them second hand just to keep the spare parts in stock.)
The bass clarinet occupies the center location (in the center of the H crossbar, while the alto/tenor stand is offset slightly to one side. (The sax stand is adaptable to either horn with the change of a couple of parts.)
On the short stub sections of the wood protruding from the side of the H are mounted T-nuts secured through the wood by short bolts, leaving a threaded socket on the top surface. These take standard clarinet and flute pegs, along with stands for the occasional oboe or English horn. All together, there are three such mounts, although I've only had cause for the use of two (Bb and A clarinet, or Bb and flute).
The main trick of the stand is the ability to mount both a baritone sax stand (on the right side) and either another sax or a bassoon (on the left side).
The baritone stand is a permanent feature on the right. Two sets of T nuts have been pulled into the wood, and a pair of bolts extend down from the top to trap the baritone stand in place.
The baritone stand is fabricated out of 1" strap steel, welded up to my spec at a local fabrication shop. It cost me all of ten dollars to get the last one done, and it is custom fitted to the horn so as to avoid damage to any of the contact points. The various "supports" are padded with HDPE foam (like used to pack computers), and the foam is neatly wrapped with vinyl "hockey tape", a very useful substance to have around for a variety of purposes.
The bassoon stand portion is the upper, horn holding section of a commercially produced bassoon stand. It too is held in place by a bolt passed down through the stand and into a T nut on the bottom surface of the wood.
Other areas of the stand bottom have held cups and boxes (usually of the plastic kitchenware type) in the past. One was an accessories box, and another was a "cupholder" for the inevitable water cup for bassoon playing. However, they didn't hold up very well, and are now missing in action.
leader of Houston's Sounds Of The South Dance Orchestra
info@sotsdo.com
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Author: archer1960
Date: 2005-11-29 16:02
> So, I assembled my own. My objectives were to a) avoid the dreaded
> tip-over problem; b) not hold the baritone by the bell (as with a wrap
> around clamp type of stand); c) keep it compact (for easy trips into and out
> of the pits and bandstands; d) keep it portable; and e) make it as versatile
> as possible.
Any pictures available?
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Author: Terry Stibal
Date: 2005-11-29 17:22
I tried to attach them with the message, but got a weird lockout as a result. I'll send them along after lunch today.
The stands that I use for sax and bass clarinet are the Anderson stand. The manufacturer was formerly out of northern Indiana, but has since either gone out of business or moved away.
leader of Houston's Sounds Of The South Dance Orchestra
info@sotsdo.com
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Author: Terry Stibal
Date: 2005-11-29 21:25
Well, I tried to post them again, but no dice. Send me an email and I'll forward them to you through that agency.
leader of Houston's Sounds Of The South Dance Orchestra
info@sotsdo.com
Post Edited (2005-11-29 21:31)
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Author: Meri
Date: 2005-11-30 00:09
Brenda:
Do you mean the Yorkville clarinet stands, usually available for less than $10 (including tax) at Long & Mcquade (but other retailers are selling them too, though typically at a slightly higher price)
They're great AND inexpensive. (cheaper than K&M's and Pack-A-Stands)
Meri
"There is a difference between being flat and sounding in tune, and being in tune but sounding flat. The first I can live with; the second I cannot."
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Author: Duane
Date: 2005-11-30 02:49
The Manhasset is the standard by which all music stands are measured, in my humble opinion. They fold up and are not very heavy and will last a lifetime.
Duane
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Author: GBK
Date: 2005-11-30 03:01
Duane wrote:
> The Manhasset is the standard by which all music stands are
> measured, in my humble opinion. They fold up and are not very
> heavy and will last a lifetime.
Agreed - but this thread is about different stands that will hold a clarinet (clarinets), not a stand that holds music ...GBK
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Author: sylvangale
Date: 2005-11-30 06:26
I've seen people rest their clarinet on a Manhasset before...
::shudder::
-Piko
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Author: Terry Stibal
Date: 2005-11-30 14:50
My photos were probably too big to be accepted here, taken as they were in the early days of digital camera use. I'm putting together a Word document which will have the photos added, and will forward that to all and sundry who request it by email.
And, tangental to the above, but still a good thing, is the fact that the classic Manhasset design orchestra desk is now available in a folding and portable version.
The desk unhitches from the stand by turning a simple rotating clutch. The stand itself has the standard extension mechanism but now has folding legs rather than the welded curved ones used on the "normal" version. The whole shebang fits into a carrying bag (available separately, for some stupid reason), and it will accept the "Stand-Out" desk extensions as well.
I own three of them, and recommend them highly, even though I don't have a stake in the company.
leader of Houston's Sounds Of The South Dance Orchestra
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Author: Cindy
Date: 2005-12-14 04:05
I had the K & M stand for a year or so. At one rehearsal, I set my clarinet on the stand and it almost hit the ground. Upon picking it up (shaking a bit of course) I discovered that one of the legs had broken clean off. So, I would recommend something more sturdy. Though, this is not a normal thing to happen, I know I won't get another one!
So many instruments to play........so little time to play them!
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2005-12-15 11:00
I use a K&M double oboe/cor anglais stand for my clarinets as well as oboe and cor - this has a heavy gauge steel folding base and wooden pegs.
[ Portions deleted; Chris P. is an employee of Howarth's and did not disclose such until much later. My apologies for missing this and letting Chris P. misuse this BBoard. Mark Charette ]
I've modified it by drilling and tapping new peg screw holes so the pegs are closer and fitted the cor anglais peg in the middle which also serves to tighten the whole lot up, and fitted my single oboe peg so there are three pegs on the same stand (all in a row).
Useful when doubling on oboe, cor and clarinet in the same show, and I cut a thick high density foam spacer disc to fit onto one of the oboe pegs so I can use it for my Eb clarinet as well without the peg jamming in the bore (and works for oboe d'amore as well).
The cor anglais peg does tend to stick in Marigaux cor bells though, I still haven't turned the peg down at this point yet, but a thicker felt or foam disc around the peg base will cure this.
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Author: Chalumeau Joe
Date: 2005-12-15 12:30
RE: SPYDER STAND
The Spyder is very stable. I've had many people (and small animals) brush up against it and it's never tipped over. I highly recommend it.
My only complaint is that the rubber tip on the post is a bit too large, which kept the clarinet from coming off easily. The fix was to remove it and apply tape around the post to prevent scratches on the inside of the clarinet.
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Author: BobD
Date: 2005-12-15 13:33
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I made the stand shown in the attachment for a trombone playing friend who doubled on clarinet. It also serves for the occasional muting requirement. Disregard what appears to be a base as that was a joke. Attached to an appropriate (trade secret) plexiglas base with Plumber's Goop you can't find a cheaper and easier stand to make. Surprise....it works.
Bob Draznik
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