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Author: clrnt_squeak
Date: 2005-11-12 17:11
Hi,
I've had my Buffet E11 for about a year now and absolutely love it. It is definitely a huge step up from what I had (Vito Resotone). I've been reading the forums and found out the E-11 barrel is smaller than a "normal" size one. This has gotten me to notice that I am a little sharp.
A few questions...
What is the size of a stock E-11 barrel?
What do you recommend: the Buffet Moenig or Chadash barrel?
What size barrel should I get?
and.. Do you recommend any other barrel that's better than the Buffet ones I listed and not more expensive?
Thanks!
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Author: pewd
Date: 2005-11-12 18:07
the stock one is 64.5 mm.
try both a 65 and 66 mm - i put most of my students on a stock 65mm buffet barrel (www.com ) combined with a 13 series vandoren mouthpiece (m13 or m13-lyre). sometimes a m13-lyre with a 66mm barrel works best. depends a lot on the student.
- Paul Dods
Dallas, Texas
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2005-11-12 18:08
64.5 mm is standard for E11
The bore is 0.004 inches wider than the R13, which IS significant when dealing with bore dimensions.
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
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Author: pewd
Date: 2005-11-12 18:12
get allan to make you a custom one
also - i've seen quite a variance in the supplied e11 barrels - measure yours - i've seen them range from 64.2 to 64.8mm
- Paul Dods
Dallas, Texas
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Author: GBK
Date: 2005-11-12 18:45
With the factory supplied E11 barrel at approximately 64.5mm, the E11 is designed to play at A=442 ...GBK
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Author: clrnt_squeak
Date: 2005-11-12 19:12
So if I choose to buy the 66mm Moennig or Chadash, will it play at A=440? Oh, and I also have a Vandoren standard B45.
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2005-11-12 19:15
66mm would probably be TOO long.
Do you know anyone else that has a clarinet with a 65mm barrel? You can simply ask to try that one out, and see if it tunes well. Then you know whether you need to go longer or not.
Alexi
US Army Japan Band
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Author: clrnt_squeak
Date: 2005-11-12 20:01
I guess I'll get the 65mm then.
Besides tuning, does the Moennig barrel improve overall tone?
Thanks for all the responses.
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Author: LarryBocaner ★2017
Date: 2005-11-12 20:46
66mm barrel (depending on the mouthpiece used) is not too long for the E-11! I even have had students using 67mm moennig barrels with this clarinet who still had to pull out to tune with their school bands! I have also noted that in almost every case the use of a moennig barrel improves the tone (resistance) of the instrument. A local repairman (name on request--off site) here in Northern Virginia has fashioned barrels for some of my students (at about half the cost of a Buffet barrel) with great success!
Beware of half-baked "advice"! A 65mm barrel will still leave your E-11 very sharp!
Larry Bocaner
National Symphony Orchestra (retired)
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Author: clrnt_squeak
Date: 2005-11-12 20:53
Thanks for the advice, Larry.
Next time in band I'm going to be extra observant in our tuning exercise and see how sharp I am.
BTW, I measured my barrel, it seems as if it's a little longer than 64.5mm (maybe it's 64.6?). It's at least 64.5mm though.
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Author: GBK
Date: 2005-11-12 21:37
sfalexi wrote:
> 66mm would probably be TOO long.
Not true!
How do you know?
Do you (or your students) have first hand experience?
If not - it's better not to guess ...GBK
BTW - I have two students using E11 clarinets.
One is using a 66mm stock Buffet A clarinet barrel and the other is using a 67mm Chadash A clarinet barrel.
Both match well for these particular students.
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2005-11-12 21:38
You might try....before you buy....a 65mm or 66mm stock R13 A-pitch barrel....NOT Bb!! The A barrel is just a bit wider bore, as is the E11, and that length is easy to get.
See if it works.
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2005-11-12 21:49
Quote:
sfalexi wrote:
> 66mm would probably be TOO long.
Not true!
How do you know?
Do you (or your students) have first hand experience?
If not - it's better not to guess ...GBK I don't know. Which is why directly underneath it I suggested trying to find someone with a 65mm barrel and trying it out for tuning purposes to know whether they need a longer barrel than that or not.
Alexi
US Army Japan Band
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2005-11-12 21:56
This is why I'm very skeptical about buying some measured barrel to fix tuning problems unless you KNOW what you need. Perhaps it might be worth having a barrel made specifically FOR your clarinet (from walter grabner or perhaps another person). Sending your clarinet to them, and having them ream it for you and measure it for you.
Alexi
US Army Japan Band
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2005-11-12 22:04
What's wrong with using tuning rings?
Sorry if that's a dumb question...
--
Ben
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Author: clrnt_squeak
Date: 2005-11-12 22:07
Wow, this is more complicated then I thought.
So, is the A barrel the same exact bore width as my E11?
I do have a plastic clarinet, a Vito Resotone.. does anyone know if the barrel that comes with it is 65mm? If so, is it a good idea to try and use that barrel to determine if 65mm is enough?
Thanks again.
Edit:
Ben, I'm not doing this only because of a tuning problem; the improvement of tone is also a main reason. Although, fixing this tuning problem without always having to pull-out or always having to use tuning rings is also a big perk.
Post Edited (2005-11-12 22:11)
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Author: Brenda Siewert
Date: 2005-11-14 20:39
I think Alseg has some good advise for you. Perhaps you could get a couple of barrels to test out and keep the one that works best. Try a 66mm for A and a 65mm and see what happens. Or, if there's someone who would let you try their barrel for a few min. at rehearsal you might have an idea where to start. Use a tuner as you play-test.
I've always used Moennigs and Chadash barrels--but I've heard good things about Alseg's barrels. However, as a young student you might not want to invest so much money right now. So, look at woodwind and brasswind (http://www.wwandbw.com) or some other online discount seller for a good price on one you can return in a week or so if it doesn't work out.
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Author: clrnt_squeak
Date: 2005-11-14 22:25
Maybe I should just get tuning rings instead of dropping $130 on a new barrel. Does anyone agree? It's not like I'm first chair or anything, just second chair. The first chair clarinetist actually admitted to me that I have excellent tone and it's a little better than her's. So, I guess a barrel isn't needed here, just some simple tuning rings.
Thanks for all the responses. =D
P.S. I'm also getting the Vandoren Optimum Ligature, is this lig. really all that's it's cracked up to be?
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2005-11-14 23:45
If you can pull the barrel out far enough to bring yourself in tune, you will probably find tuning rings unnecessary at this point. If you can't pull the barrel out far enough to bring yourself in tune, tuning rings won't help.
You might be able to find a cheap replacement if you have a music store nearby that does alot of repair work for the local school district. Call and find out if the repair shop has a box of used barrels that they've salvaged from clarinets in the past and ask if they will let you bring in your clarinet and a tuner and try some out.
Best regards,
jnk
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Author: luckyclarinettoenla
Date: 2005-11-15 05:14
I used a 66mm Fobes Bb barrel and it made my sound phenomenal! My suggestion, keep looking until you find something that works.
Lucky
Never fool yourself into believing that today's 'good enough' will do tomorrow!
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Author: Brenda Siewert
Date: 2005-11-15 14:01
You may be second chair today, but keep working and you'll be first! Save up for a good barrel, it'll be worth it in the long run.
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2005-11-15 14:37
"Save up for a good barrel, it'll be worth it in the long run."
While you're saving, have a look in your local store's barrel box. You might get a good barrel and a good price!
Best regards,
jnk
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