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Author: heitzler
Date: 2005-11-11 21:52
How many chedevilles do you think are still out there, and would you recommend any of the remakes?
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Author: Brenda Siewert
Date: 2005-11-11 22:35
I'd grab the original Chedevilles over the fake ones anyday. There are many out there and they crop up from time to time on eBay. Just keep your eyes open and be prepared to pay around $300.00 or so for one.
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Author: Bill
Date: 2005-11-11 23:04
But, what's a Chedeville? The 60s or 70s versions (wonderful, by the way - I have two), or the 30s "Henri Chedevilles"? And aren't some of the Bettoney's and Martin Freres and other "Qualitie Superieures" old Henri Ched's?
I'm always ready to learn.
Bill.
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Author: donald
Date: 2005-11-11 23:31
plus there's later Chedevilles (i have two) that are nothing at all worth keeping.....
get one of Brad Behns "new" Chedevilles, will cost the same (maybe less) than a vintage (a good vintage Ched will be at least $500us if it's any good, unless the owner doesn't know what they're selling) and you're guaranteed quality
donald
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2005-11-11 23:50
You can look up reviews of the Chadash-Hill mouthpiece. Lots of people are saying they are very good.
Alexi
US Army Japan Band
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Author: Bellflare
Date: 2005-11-12 01:30
I got a chance to try a Behn Vintage model.
It was better than all but one ancient Ched'ville that I tried.
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Author: Brenda Siewert
Date: 2005-11-12 14:06
Hmm, food for thought. Behn, eh? I haven't tried him, but looked up the website. Sounds like an excellent choice.
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Author: Sylvain
Date: 2005-11-12 14:16
It's also an expensive one, I think his cheds go for at least 600USD, that's worth 10 VD mouthpieces, 3 Greg Smiths, almost 3 Chadash Hill, the list goes on...
The last two big time pros I heard both played Vandoren mouthpieces.
Go figure...
-S
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Sylvain Bouix <sbouix@gmail.com>
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2005-11-12 14:20
Brenda, I know that Brad calls his models by the revered names of yesteryear, but really they should be judged on their own merits.
He offers a nice trial, and, like all of those mouthpiece makers who post here, is very easy to work with.
Unlike other online groups that I have encountered (equestrian ones stand out painfully), I am always impressed how the clarinet community tries to help its members rather than fleece them. Take advantage of the situation. I did, and I am very pleased.
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
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Author: chito
Date: 2005-11-12 15:11
I have glottin chedeville .01 any body using glottin here? Im not get to use this mpc. until now its difficult to find reeds any information thank you.
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2005-11-12 15:22
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Brenda, I know that Brad calls his models by the revered names of yesteryear, but really they should be judged on their own merits.
He offers a nice trial, and, like all of those mouthpiece makers who post here, is very easy to work with. Another interesting thing about Behn, is that when I checked out his website, it was stated that if you purchased his student model, he would allow you at ANY point in the future (including perhaps a few years) to trade it in and you would get the current value of it towards one of his professional models. A small thing, perhaps, but it's a nice support feature towards upgrading.
Alexi
US Army Japan Band
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2005-11-13 13:34
I've never tried an original Chedeville mouthpiece (we don't have any around here) but my guess is they are overpriced. The reason I think that is that if I look at all the good players I know - none of them play a Vintage Chedeville mouthpiece, and if I look at all my favorite clarinetists (from all the world) - none of them play a Chedeville mouthpiece either (as far as I know).
I'm sure the original Chedevilles are excellent mouthpieces, but from what I see on this forum and from what I've seen from traveling I'd say it is more a matter of the culture in different places. For example, most French players I like play Vandoren mouthpieces, and in my country most play Vandoren or Pomarico.
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Author: GBK
Date: 2005-11-13 14:01
clarnibass wrote:
> The
> reason I think that is that if I look at all the good players I
> know - none of them play a Vintage Chedeville mouthpiece, and
> if I look at all my favorite clarinetists (from all the world)
> - none of them play a Chedeville mouthpiece either (as far as I
> know
Frank Kaspar mouthpieces from both Chicago and Cicero were made with semi-finished Chedeville blanks. He merely buffed off the "Qualitie Superieure" marking on the side of the mouthpiece and applied his own facing dimensions.
Also, as Greg Smith and others have written, Lelandais was separate from Chedeville at one time only to be bought out and incorporated into the Chedeville company later on...GBK
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2005-11-13 14:59
I'm sorry but I didn't understand what you meant GBK, or how it related to what I said (langauge barrier).
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Author: Brenda Siewert
Date: 2005-11-13 15:20
Chedeville mouthpieces are wonderful things. Every true master mouthpiece maker that I know has one in his collection to use as a reference, along with a Kaspar or two or three. As GBK mentioned, Frank Kaspar used the Chedeville as the base for his artistry.
Whether or not we see clarinetists actually playing on them is another thing. They may be put away in a safe place because they become more rare as years go by.
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2005-11-13 17:22
The blanks themselves are of good material....What is done to them is the part that makes all the difference.
Think of two pristine pieces of marble.....one in the hands of a Michaelangelo, the other ....well you get the picture.
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
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Author: Bnewbs
Date: 2005-11-16 20:32
There are still a few of good Chedeville mouthpieces floating around, but $300 for a good one would be a steal, I usually see them going for more like $400-$600. You may be able to get a late model chedeville for closer to $300, but on all accounts they arent the sames the older models (30's-50's) The vintage Lelandais mouthpieces are also apparently excellent, some people prefer them to Chedevilles, although I hear they are similar (e.g. Stanley Drucker of the New York Philharmonic usually plays an old Lelandais). I have also heard great things about the chadash-hill mpc from a number of people. Personally I find charles bay's chedeville style mouthpiece to be excellent.
Ben Newby
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Author: GBK
Date: 2005-11-16 21:41
Bnewbs wrote:
(e.g. Stanley Drucker of the New York Philharmonic
> usually plays an old Lelandais)
Stanley has used the same Lelandais mouthpiece (1.05mm) for the past 50+ years.
However, that may be soon changing.
Although he has many back-up mouthpieces which are close to his treasured Lelandais, he recently just got a Kaspar from Jimmy Yan which I hear he likes very much and is now experimenting with.
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Author: Gregory Smith ★2017
Date: 2005-11-17 05:31
I think that Mr. Tom Ridenour has a fine perspective on the subject. He wrote:
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"When you buy a mouthpiece from a real master mouthpiece maker the material costs are ancillary; what if someone quibbled about buying a painting by Picasso because the materials used in the painting only amounted to about eight bucks of expense; such quibblers would miss the whole point of the painting in the first place.
Again, what if someone looked at a beautiful diamond and said, "Hey, that
was just a lump of coal. No way is it worth X amount of dollars!"
The time and skill of a master maker transcends the value of the raw
material; the value of the mouthpiece lies in the eyes of the user; just
how valuable is it to him or her to make music they way they envision it?
That is the question with any piece of equipment."
From: http://test.woodwind.org/Databases/Klarinet/1999/02/000873.txt
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You may want to read the entire post. When I first read it that year, it really distilled some essential truths for me about intrinsic value.
Gregory Smith
http://www.gregory-smith.com
Post Edited (2005-11-17 05:35)
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Author: Synonymous Botch
Date: 2005-11-17 11:54
I still recall trading an original Chedeville even for a Buffet clarinet in A!
The buyer was thrilled to have it, and plays on it still.
It's a matter of what works readily for a given player, and provides confidence in the player's own competence, when it comes to mouthpiece choice.
Me? I play a comfortable, no-name mouthpiece that allows me to play every Legere reed without accomodation or fiddling.
I still think of mouthpieces as essential ingredients to the making of music with a woodwind - bicycle seats, hiking boots and hockey sticks won't improve your performance but can certainly ruin an outing if a poor fit.
PS - The "Geo. Bundy" signature mouthpieces from the 1920's and 1930's look a great deal like the Chedeville product - yet no one is paying huge money!
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Author: Ed
Date: 2005-11-17 23:34
I would recommend one of the many great current custom makers out there over the vintage mouthpiece craze unless you have the opportunity to try the mouthpiece. Many of these old Cheds and Kaspars are not always great, many have been faced or altered. You can end up spending big bucks on a name and not get a great mouthpiece.
There are many custom makers out there, probably more than at any time, with LOTS of great knowledge. They can work with you to get you exactly what you want and you can get a spare or replacement when you need it. Look up Clark Fobes, Greg Smith, Walter Grabner, Ben Redwine (Genussa), Lee Livengood, Tom Ridenour, Chris Hill, Michael Lomax, Dave McClune. There are plenty to choose from.
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