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Author: Laur
Date: 2000-04-03 01:59
Hey -
Okay, if you all don't know by now, My name is Laurie, and I'm a sophomore in HS. I play Clarinet, Flute, some piccolo and sax. ( I have a fetish with learning ! ) I love music. I want to teach - That what I want to do with my life. I love seeing the excitement on a child's face when they get the note right,and helping them get through the hard times. I want kids.. to love music as much as I do. I want to share that love with others.
I'm planing my schedule for next year, and I have some questions - Do I need Chemestry or Math in order to get into most teaching/music schools ? What is your recommondation. I don't feel I need these courses - Any answers ? Thanks
Laur
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2000-04-03 02:27
Laur wrote:
I'm planing my schedule for next year, and I have some questions - Do I need Chemestry or Math in order to get into most teaching/music schools ? What is your recommondation. I don't feel I need these courses - Any answers ? Thanks
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If you're thinking about teaching, then I'd suggest that you check out a few colleges/universities where it's likely you'll apply and check out their pre-requisites. They vary from place to place, but it'd give you a good foundation to base your next couple of high school years.
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Author: Sarah
Date: 2000-04-04 00:34
Wow! I am so glad to hear that you passionatly want to teach. I feel the same way you do and it always angers me when people look at teaching as just a fall back. I am highschool senior and I'll be majoring in music ed at Bowling Green State University in the fall. I finished highschool with AP Calculus and AP Biology. These kind of classes aren't neccessary but I think they're beneficial. If you take harder classes in highschool then your core college curriculm classes (that all college students, regardless of major, have to take)will be easier. Also, if you're like me, you can look ahead for when you are a teacher. Even if you're teaching music you can use your math and science knowledge to help your students if they have a problem. I once witnessed my band director helping a student w/ their chemistry and i thought that was pretty cool that he was not a one dimensional teacher. So, in conclusion, if your schedule can handle it, never pass up an oppurtunity to learn because you might be able to teach it to someone else someday and that makes it all worth while.
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Author: Kim
Date: 2000-04-04 01:23
For most competitive colleges, you need 4 years of math and English; 3 years of History; 3 years of Science (1 year lab); along with other electives listed in your program of studies that are required for your graduation.
I would recommend that you take a science this coming school year. Definitely take Math. I know you don't like the sound of it, but you must take a Math Entrance Exam for college. I would take the Math this coming year to be prepared for college. Do not blow off your last two years in high school because of what your interests are. Your junior year is when all colleges start looking at your grades and success in school!
If you can fit them in your schedule, and if they are offered in your school, I would take theory, choir, and piano.
When you audition for colleges, you MUST be able to sing proficiently. I couldn't, and was rejected my senior year. I auditioned again my freshman year and was accepted only after I took voice lessons. If you can't fit choir in, I would definitely take voice lessons. Also, theory is just as important as singing. Most schools have two different levels, an honors and academic level. When you go for your audition, most schools give you a theory exam.
Good luck!
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Author: Anne
Date: 2000-04-04 02:21
I totally agree with Sarah- you need to take math and science courses so you can have a shot at exempting those same courses in college, you know, to get 'em out of the way. Besides, I believe chemistry is a requirement for graduating high school.
It's great to hear that you are so enthusiastic about teaching. I wish more teachers today were like that! Anyway, best of luck to you.
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Author: Laur
Date: 2000-04-04 19:19
<< When you audition for colleges, you MUST be able to sing proficiently. >>
Sing what exactally ? Scales ? Certain songs ?
I have no room in my schedule what so ever. I dropped my lunch period to take Music Theory, and trying to fit in choir is impossible unless, i drop my langage or something else. Its out of the question.
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Author: Kim
Date: 2000-04-05 00:42
For my sightsinging audition, I was required to sing back pitches played by the professor. The professor played one pitch, and I sang it back. Then came 3, 4, and 5 consecutive notes. These notes were in all ranges of the piano. Also, they made me sightsing a few melodies from a sightsinging book.
I would prepare for all your college auditions by taking private lessons and explaining to them that you are preparing for a college audition. They would then know that you need to match pitches and be able to sightsing. If you have any other questions regarding auditioning, e-mail any college you are interested in and ask them how you can be better prepared for your audition.
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Author: Sarah Ann
Date: 2000-04-05 00:43
Next year I am majoring in music education at Stephen F. Austin State University in Nacogdoches, Tx, and they have an awesome music program and staff. All they ask for is 4 years of English, 3 years of Math and Science, and 2 years of Foreign language to get into their college and a 3.0 or above GPA to be a music major; it all depends on what college you are going to. I really love music and teaching children about music; sharing with them my gifts and knowledge of music has always been my desire and dream. But I want to be a band director so I would get my degree in teaching middle school through high school students, (I don't know what the degree is officially called), but I will have to take theory, voice, and piano. I can sing, and I have had music theory at my high school for three years now, but I have had little study on piano! I really need to start working on that. Good luck to all those going for the teaching career; it really does seem like an exciting career.
Sarah Ann
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Author: Hiroshi
Date: 2000-04-05 08:12
to be hired as a teacher at even primary school in US, I read so somewhere. Is this right? If so,chemistry or math might be necessitated to obtain it.
p.s.This is lamentble situation.
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Author: Kim
Date: 2000-04-05 11:29
Yes, the MS degree is needed to teach all subjects. If you want to teach on the college level, you need an MS and PHd.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2000-04-05 11:42
Kim wrote:
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Yes, the MS degree is needed to teach all subjects. If you want to teach on the college level, you need an MS and PHd.
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Neither of those statements is true. There are people with a bachelors teaching in many high schools - the requirements vary from area to area. Have you never been taught by a grad student in college? I've taught college courses and I most certainly do not have a PhD.
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Author: Dee
Date: 2000-04-05 14:15
Mark Charette wrote:
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Kim wrote:
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Yes, the MS degree is needed to teach all subjects. If you want to teach on the college level, you need an MS and PHd.
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Neither of those statements is true. There are people with a bachelors teaching in many high schools - the requirements vary from area to area. Have you never been taught by a grad student in college? I've taught college courses and I most certainly do not have a PhD.
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If a master's degree were required to teach at primary and secondary levels, we would have almost no teachers. The investment is too high for the salary that these individuals would receive. The situation is already bad enough as it is. Most states simply require that you have a teacher's certificate for primary or secondary. Usually to get one, you do have to have a bachelor's degree however some states do have some limited exceptions.
Here in South Dakota, you can be a substitute teacher without any certificate at all. I don't know about full time teachers though.
At the university level, you merely have to convince them that you are an expert in your field. No degree is required but it is unlikely that you could convince them without a it. The higher the degree you have, the easier it is to convince them. I had several engineering professors (tenured, full professors) that only had bachelor's degrees but they had 20 years of industry experience in the field to go with it before they became professors.
Occasionally, courses in college are taught by people who have never even gone to college. This is rare but sometimes in new fields, the most authoritative expert will be the person who developed the field as there is yet no degree available or even any one trained in that field other than the developer. But as I said, this is rare.
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Author: Kim
Date: 2000-04-05 23:03
A large percentage of teachers that I know either received their sixth year certificate, or masters. I know as a music ed major that I will need to go to grad school for my masters, or my PHd if I want to within six years of entering the classroom. Whether this is just in CT or not, I don't know. CT may have one of the most stringent programs in the USA. The school I go to is known for its teaching program as well as being highly rated in the music dept!
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Author: Sarah Ann
Date: 2000-04-06 02:26
None of my teachers have their Masters! Many of you are right to say that it isn't worth paying all that money if you are just teaching small secondary schools, especially like mine. Here at my small Texas high school teachers don't get paid much and they are lucky to have their teaching certificate; most of them are athletic coaches who passed a test in order to teach a certain subject. My band director is trying to get his Masters right now but that is just so he can teach somewhere in the future at a University or a larger, more prominant high school.
Sarah Ann
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Author: Kim
Date: 2000-04-06 02:53
Where I live, in CT, teachers have very high salaries. I'm not sure if I'm accurate, but I think that a large percentage of my primary and secondary teachers did have their masters. To be competitive, I feel that it is worth going to grad school for!
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Author: Dee
Date: 2000-04-06 03:17
Kim wrote:
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Where I live, in CT, teachers have very high salaries. I'm not sure if I'm accurate, but I think that a large percentage of my primary and secondary teachers did have their masters. To be competitive, I feel that it is worth going to grad school for!
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There should be data collected by your local state that you can access if you look around for it. Your school guidance counselor should be able to help you find *data* so you don't have to speculate. There is no way to know if your teachers had masters degrees or not unless they told you. Also there are plenty of people who teach for a while and then go back for their masters degree at a later date so even if they have it now, that doesn't mean they went straight through.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2000-04-06 03:22
Just a point of information:
Both a sister and brother-in-law of mine both teach in NY State and have taught in NY State for (hmmm - thinking ...) close to 30 years now. Both currently have their masters. However, they obtained their masters some years after starting their teaching careers. NY State required (and may still require) continuing education of (at least) their secondary school teachers, so most of the teachers elect credit courses and get their masters.
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Author: Dee
Date: 2000-04-06 03:38
Mark Charette wrote:
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Just a point of information:
Both a sister and brother-in-law of mine both teach in NY State and have taught in NY State for (hmmm - thinking ...) close to 30 years now. Both currently have their masters. However, they obtained their masters some years after starting their teaching careers. NY State required (and may still require) continuing education of (at least) their secondary school teachers, so most of the teachers elect credit courses and get their masters.
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You are probably right about the continuing education thing as every teacher I know seems to do just that.
Just checked the state job site for Connecticut. All the entry level teaching positions at the both the primary and secondary level required only a bachelor's degree and a state teaching certificate.
Mark Charette wrote:
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Just a point of information:
Both a sister and brother-in-law of mine both teach in NY State and have taught in NY State for (hmmm - thinking ...) close to 30 years now. Both currently have their masters. However, they obtained their masters some years after starting their teaching careers. NY State required (and may still require) continuing education of (at least) their secondary school teachers, so most of the teachers elect credit courses and get their masters.
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Author: Dee
Date: 2000-04-06 03:40
Well I see I messed up the cut and paste. Don't do this late at night boys and girls. Too many mistakes happen!
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Author: Jim
Date: 2000-04-06 04:49
The comments on High school courses for college admission were most interesting as I just went through this with my son who will be a junior and is headed toward music ed in College. Mark's advice to check admission requirements of potential schools was right on. I did so and found they were mostly more lenient than I expected. He has had Bio and Chem and so will not take physics next year to make room for theory. He also will take keyboard and harmony as well as concert band. (And yes, he has to give up lunch to do this!) He also is in the choir after school for no credit. (He also sings in our adult church choir, a great place to learn sight singing!) This was done in consultation with the instrumental teacher as well as other faculty. Tragically, his guidance counselor died over Christmas break, and the new counselor was most reluctant to go along with this, but the instrumental teacher convinced him. The school offers a number of music courses that are very well done, but various course Iequirements limit the time available to take them. He will likely graduate without taking a single non-music elective. I'm hopeful that he can pick up in College under the general ed requirements some of what he has missed (Art, drama, creative writing etc.)
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Author: Hiroshi
Date: 2000-04-06 07:21
Back to the necessities of math and chemistry. Mark's first response was from the viewpoint of curriculum requirements.
As to their actural necessities, obviously chemistry is unnecessary. Math may be better to learn but only some fields to understand acuoustics matters such as Fourier Seriese to understand harmonics and certain arithmetics such as 1/8th power of 2 to understand equal tempered scales.These would be definitely necessary to discuss synthized musics.
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Author: Hiroshi
Date: 2000-04-06 07:22
Back to the necessities of math and chemistry. Mark's first response was from the viewpoint of curriculum requirements.
As to their actural necessities, obviously chemistry is unnecessary. Math may be better to learn but only some fields to understand acuoustics matters such as Fourier Seriese to understand harmonics and certain arithmetics such as 1/8th power of 2 to understand equal tempered scales.These would be definitely necessary to discuss synthesized musics.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2000-04-06 12:04
Hiroshi wrote:
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Math may be better to learn but only some fields to understand acuoustics matters such as Fourier Seriese to understand harmonics and certain arithmetics such as 1/8th power of 2 to understand equal tempered scales.These would be definitely necessary to discuss synthesized musics.
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I think math is a good idea for any student, up to intermediate algebra & trig just for the "mental exercise". After that it depends on career choices.
In my son's case we weighed a lot of tradeoffs - Interlochen's regular academics are considered by colleges as "AP" (Advanced Placement) when they score the marks - most colleges assign special multipliers based on the high school that you're attending. He was going to need time for practicing for college/conservatory auditions in his Senior year, so we ended up making sure that his Senior year had a relatively light course load. He dropped piano, theory and math for his senior year on advice of his counselors. Advanced math isn't really required, his piano playing was way above the requirements for entry into any of the conservatories, and theory can be made up during the college years - indeed, most high schools don't offer 2 years of theory/solfedge. He already had gone to 8 years of Japanese school on Saturdays, so any language requirement could be met with the ACT/SAT special placement testing.
All this takes into account one person's desire to be a musician - not a music educator. Our choices of keep/drop might have been different had he wanted to go into music ed.
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