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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2005-11-01 19:28
"Vintage Instrument" is getting a whole new meaning... ;-)
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Ben
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Author: GBK
Date: 2005-11-01 19:40
..."No anthropological studies have been undertaken on the skeleton yet, but considering the large size of the bones and the existence of a dagger alongside it, archaeologists are guessing that it should belong to a man. A bracelet, necklace, a bronze strap and a bronze sheet have also been found next to the skeleton..."
The last remaining successful free-lance clarinet player ...GBK
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2005-11-01 21:19
I reckon it could do with a repad, he's left it a bit too long between servicing.
No doubt the bore will need a bit of oil as well.
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Author: BassetHorn
Date: 2005-11-01 21:28
All joking aside, I wonder if the instrument could in fact be restored to playable condition?
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2005-11-01 21:38
Restored to playable condition? You must be joking. ;-)
Considering the fact that it is made of deer horn I'd expect it to be rather brittle. The best one probably can do is to make a 3D scan/tomograph of it and create a facsimile in resin.
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Ben
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2005-11-01 21:50
Is it shown in the pic?, that long black "thing"? Having read some in Sachs "History of M I's", it seems more probably [to me] to be an oboe [a somewhat conical? horn?] or a flute [tubular] ancestor, since a clarinet is/was a chalemeau with a reed and speaker key, Denner 1700? The mention of bronze might put it as far back as perhaps 1500 BC, Troy was about 1250, recorded? about 700 BC. Can we trust the Iranians ?? Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: GBK
Date: 2005-11-01 21:53
The reed which was found was enscribed "Vandoren"
At last, a reed which is sufficiently aged ...GBK
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Author: GBK
Date: 2005-11-01 23:50
While having my morning caffeine,
I noticed the news on my screen.
A clarinet was found,
In an old burial ground.
It was the first pre R-13.
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2005-11-02 12:04
There once was a man from Iran,
who blew licks on his axe with aplomb.
In three thousand years
he lost both his ears,
yet we wish he could still put his reed on!
..........anon
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Author: Brent
Date: 2005-11-02 13:44
The music from Abdul's clar'net
Is the best we're expected to get
It's made from deer horn
With a reed from VanDor'n
Which is so old it cannot stay wet
I sure wish that we all could see
How he plays that clarinet so free
He could prob'ly play licks
that make Artie Shaw sick
But he died in 1000 BC
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2005-11-02 14:37
I understand there was a carved clay tablet found with the instrument, containing a bitter complaint that reeds weren't nearly as good as they used to be.
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2005-11-02 14:47
> I understand there was a carved clay tablet found with the instrument,
> containing a bitter complaint that reeds weren't nearly as good as they used
> to be.
...accompanied by an order receipt for a new barrel and mouthpiece.
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Ben
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Author: archer1960
Date: 2005-11-02 14:49
Don Berger asked:
>> Can we trust the Iranians ?? Don
I can't tell if you're being serious or humorous, but the answer in this field is yes. Iran (and Iraq as well) has a well-respected history in archeology, and some very good people working in it. They routinely let foreign archeologists in to examine their finds as well, so any falsifications would quickly be pointed out.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2005-11-02 14:55
I just looked it up in the catalogue, and it's definitely a BC-1000-D (the 'D' being the deer-horn body option).
Without the LH Ab/Eb lever though.
"The mention of bronze might put it as far back as perhaps 1500 BC, Troy was about 1250, recorded? about 700 BC"
Did they have tape recorders back then?
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
Post Edited (2005-11-02 15:02)
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2005-11-02 15:45
The leather sinew ligature is a dead (sic) give-away.
The guy favored a German set-up, and the nearby satchel (goat bladder)
was inscribed (translation from the original) "Antonicus Sadlericum"
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
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Author: Bill
Date: 2005-11-02 21:17
Was there a mouthpiece found the instrument? If so, did the rubber have an "oily" quality? Anything inscribed parallel to the table?
Bill.
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Author: Kalakos
Date: 2005-11-02 23:35
The thing that interested me about this instrument is the "horn" material used. I wish there was a better picture of it. The article mentioned "deer horn."
I think Baines mentions this in his book on the bagpipe. There has been, since ancient times, a superstitious or "magical" connection to horn materials, often used as a bell for the longer reed type instrument. Instruments were either single or double reed. I believe he was the one who mentioned the "Sailors' Hornpipe" dance and melodies from British folklore. He said the horn part refers to the older "pipes" which had bells made from cow or goat horns.
I have in my collection a couple of Greek and slavic bagpipes which have bells made from horn material.
Is this why we call them "horns?"
:-)
Anyway, I'd like to learn more about this archaeological find.
Kalakos
Kalakos Music
http://www.TAdelphia.com
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2005-11-03 05:54
> Is this why we call them "horns?"
Yes. Early musicians (well, say hunters) used animal horns as signal instruments.
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Ben
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Author: Don Poulsen
Date: 2005-11-03 14:39
I suspect that it is much easier to find a hollow animal horn or hollow one out than to hollow out a piece of wood, so it stands to reason that the first wind instruments were literally horns. It is not hard to imagine someone finding a hollow deer or cow horn on the ground, maybe with the tip broken off, picking it up and blowing in it or making noises into it. Until this has happened, it is difficult to imagine someone picking up a tree branch and wondering what would happen if (s)he hollowed it out and blew or buzzed into it.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2005-11-03 14:51
Is the Shofar the only horn made from a horn that's still used today?
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2005-11-03 16:23
The gemshorn, occasionally used in renaissance groups, is made from a hollowed-out cow's horn.
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