 The Clarinet BBoard
|
Author: Danny Boy
Date: 2005-10-22 13:57
Show of hands please...
Who uses a rolled R with the tongue to achieve a flutter tongue?
And again,
Who uses a coffee machine sound effect in the throat?
I've always used a rolled R, but watched a flute masterclass on Thursday and am now considering 'learning' the other method.
Is the 'growl' method more useful? I have a shockingly hard contemporary piece to learn at present with some extremely high fluttering...will the other method help me?
Best get the throat sweets ready...
|
|
Reply To Message
|
|
Author: Chris P
Date: 2005-10-22 14:40
Some people even sing while playing to break up the tone.
I have yet to master a gravelly sound on sax (What? Even MORE gravelly?), not sure which method is the best, but the 'singing' one isn't the one I'd do.
|
|
Reply To Message
|
|
Author: EEBaum
Date: 2005-10-22 19:01
I use the rolled R.
For very high flutters, try experimenting with different alternate fingerings. Some flutter much better than others. (I had to learn a new fingering for altissimo G# in a piece I'm playing now).
-Alex
www.mostlydifferent.com
|
|
Reply To Message
|
|
Author: Liquorice
Date: 2005-10-22 20:15
I use the rolled Rrrrr. But my French and German friends assure me that it's much easier to flutters at soft dynamics using the throat flutter. I can't do it without also producing a sound with my voice.
I agree with Alex about experimenting with different fingerings. I also used the singing-while-playing method for some ridiculously high flutters on Eb clarinet.
|
|
Reply To Message
|
|
Author: Sylvain
Date: 2005-10-22 23:20
I do both depending on what register I am in and which effect I want.
-S
--
Sylvain Bouix <sbouix@gmail.com>
|
|
Reply To Message
|
|
Author: Max S-D
Date: 2005-10-24 00:26
I can do a little bit of the rolled "r" flutter, but the one at the back of the throat just sounds gross, and completely different from the other.
On sax, singing into the horn while playing breaks up the tone niceley and gives you a little more volume and projection, but this doesn't work as well on clarinets because you end up hearing the note you're singing too loudly.
|
|
Reply To Message
|
|
Author: Clarinetgirl06
Date: 2005-10-24 02:19
I can't roll my R's at all! I can sing and play at the same time and some people were like, "How were you flutter tonguing?" and I was like, "I'm not! I'm just singing and playing at the same time!". I didn't know that singing was a type of flutter tonguing too! It's fun to play and to sing a harmony to what you are playing!
|
|
Reply To Message
|
|
Author: sfalexi
Date: 2005-10-24 13:04
I use a rolled R. Rolling the R is a hereditary trait, and so maybe the throat option at the flute class was given as an alternative to those who can't roll their R's. But there's nothing wrong with seeing which one sounds best and comes out easiest if there ARE multiple ways to achieve the same effect.
Alexi
PS - incidentally, I haven't yet had a piece of music which requires this though. When is it needed? And is there a symbol for it above a note? What's that symbol called (if there is one)?
US Army Japan Band
Post Edited (2005-10-24 13:08)
|
|
Reply To Message
|
|
Author: Danny Boy
Date: 2005-10-24 13:41
Interesting.
Alexi, the marking in this case is 'fltr.' and the notes are beamed as per a long series of repeated semi quavers.
I've always used the rolled R method...Rite of Spring, Penderecki Prelude etc, but at present I'm unable to play a top G with a flutter. In order to facilitate the flutter, I find my embouchure has to loosen, rendering me unable to hold higher pitches.
Back in the practice room I go...
|
|
Reply To Message
|
|
Author: Iacuras
Date: 2005-10-24 17:28
I also use the rolled R method.
sfalexi,
Another piece that requires a fluttertounge is the band arrangement of La Belle Helene. In the solo clarinet part, you flutter to simulate a violin tremmelo.
Steve
"If a pretty poster and a cute saying are all it takes to motivate you, you probably have a very easy job. The kind robots will be doing soon."
"If you can't learn to do something well, learn to enjoy doing it poorly."
|
|
Reply To Message
|
|
Author: elmo lewis
Date: 2005-10-24 19:58
If rolling the RRRR's is a hereditary trait why do 100% of native Spanish speakers do it with no problem?
|
|
Reply To Message
|
|
Author: sfalexi
Date: 2005-10-24 22:22
elmo lewis wrote:
> If rolling the RRRR's is a hereditary trait why do 100% of
> native Spanish speakers do it with no problem?
Maybe it's not 100%. Maybe there are a few out there that you haven't met.
Alexi
US Army Japan Band
|
|
Reply To Message
|
|
Author: Alexis
Date: 2005-10-25 01:33
I have never been able to roll my r's convincingly and am not even close to doing it on the instrument.
I have always used my throat and can generally play any note at any dynamic. It is perhaps not as good for really delicate stuff, but I've never had the luxury of choice....
Either way its great for high notes.
|
|
Reply To Message
|
|
The Clarinet Pages
|
 |
.jpg){kind=small}
.jpg){kind=small}
.jpg){kind=small}
.jpg){kind=small}
.jpg){kind=small}
.jpg){kind=small}
