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Author: GBK
Date: 2005-09-30 18:04
Attachment: Drucker0094.JPG (448k)
While going through my files recently, I came across this photo I had saved of Stanley Drucker conducting a master class for students.
I did not date the photo or note the source. It looks like it was clipped from an old magazine or newspaper.
Does anyone know when or where this photo originated?
...GBK
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Author: TonkaToy
Date: 2005-09-30 19:30
Nothing definitive, but looking at the hairstyles and clothing I'd venture a guess that it's the early to mid 1970's.
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2005-09-30 19:35
GBK,
It's a photo of Stanley Drucker conducting a master class for students.
Glad I could help!
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Author: DavidBlumberg
Date: 2005-09-30 19:42
Whats really strange about that picture is what it looks like when my browser shrinks it to fit the page. Expanded it looks normal but shrunken it looks like just a bunch of tiles.
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Author: Ralph G
Date: 2005-09-30 19:48
Looks like the girl in the back row is wearing some early Nike tennis shoes. Or maybe Pumas. I'm going with Nike. Anyway, the Nike waffle trainer didn't hit the marketplace until 1974. Judging by the Ashton Kutcher-like guy to Drucker's right, I'll say 1977-1979.
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Author: GBK
Date: 2005-09-30 19:49
What's really strange to me is Stanley's suit ![[wink]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smilie3.gif) ...GBK
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2005-09-30 19:57
As I recall, This was part of an Ad campaign showing that NYPO players went out to the community to teach. I don't think it was specific to clarinet...meaning that the sponsorship wasnt Buffet or a Reed, but rather some other agency. Some sort of community awareness/ outreach type of goodwill thing.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2005-09-30 20:06
I should hope it wasn't Buffet in this instance considering it looks like he's got a Series 9(*).
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2005-09-30 20:34
>>>>
Whats really strange about that picture is what it looks like when my browser shrinks it to fit the page. Expanded it looks normal but shrunken it looks like just a bunch of tiles.
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Rastered images scale really badly.
I disabled the auto-fit gizmo of my browser...
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Ben
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Author: Markael
Date: 2005-09-30 20:46
This thread reads like a Sherlock Holmes story, my dear Watson.
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2005-09-30 22:00
The student has a Rovner ligature, so the date has to be after they were introduced -- mid-80s or so???
The trademarks on Stanley's clarinet look more like Buffet than Selmer, and he's always played Buffet. The lower mark on the upper joint looks like the Buffet oval rather than the Selmer Series 9 "V." The trademark on the lower joint also looks like the Buffet oval rather than the Selmer sunburst.
Also, the bridge key looks like it has the Buffet "wings" on the extension from the upper joint rather than the Selmer "ramp" on the lower joint.
He's not wearing a wedding ring. If he wears one now, then the shot is from before he got married.
The girl on the far left is wearing a Wings t-shirt. When was that band popular?
Ken Shaw
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Author: DavidBlumberg
Date: 2005-09-30 22:19
We shall try this again:
I had a Rovner Ligature back in 1980 so it was before that which it was made.
And Drucker was a rep for Leblanc for quite a while - even once being caught playing Buffet at a Leblanc Concert!
I'd date the picture back to around 1976 or so.
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Author: CPW
Date: 2005-09-30 22:47
Summertime.....cuz that is a seersucker suit
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2005-09-30 22:55
I still maintain this is definitely a Series 9 Stanley Drucker's holding - Buffet never had the 'V' shaped logo below their maker's logo on the top joint, the RH keys are angled towards the player where Buffet ones are almost at right angles, the LH levers are thin (Buffet ones are much thicker), the bell has the logo stamped right at the top and the bell taper is more conical with a thin bell ring - all Series 9 characteristics.
Could be they've just swapped instruments in this instance - the Series 9 is the student's one and the student has Stanley Drucker's Buffet, complete with the Rovner lig. That's why the student looks like he's never seen this clarinet before. And would many students have used a Rovner lig back then?
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Author: CPW
Date: 2005-09-30 23:17
Drucker had a horn with his name engraved on it.....that could be the logo you are seeing.
The wide shirt collar on one student looks pre disco. The glasses are post hippie...so mid 70's sounds right.
Wings is post beetles.
The kids mostly look nerdy but born too soon for computers.
Bigger question: Aside from Stanley, where are they NOW?
Perhaps one of the board moguls who know SD could ask him if he recalls this photo op.
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Author: 3dogmom
Date: 2005-10-01 00:54
Ken Shaw said, "The girl on the far left is wearing a Wings t-shirt. When was that band popular?"
Arrgh. I remember when people didn't realize that Paul Maccartney was in another band before Wings. Now they don't even remember Wings. My goodness, I must really be getting old.
They were popular in the mid-to-late 70's.
Sue Tansey
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2005-10-01 00:58
CPW wrote . . .Quote:
The kids mostly look nerdy but born too soon for computers. So in essence, if you're talking to someone, mention that you play clarinet, and they don't respond with, "Yeah. I could see that," you know you don't look like these kids.
Alexi
US Army Japan Band
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2005-10-01 01:36
Better look at the tee shirt more closely as it says
Ohio
State
Buckeyes
Go Buckeyes, Beat Michigan
HRL
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Author: LarryBocaner ★2017
Date: 2005-10-01 02:21
I remember that Mr. Drucker wore that same seersucker suit at the Clarinetfest when it was held at Catholic University in DC; I don't remember the year--was it '80's?
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Author: ken
Date: 2005-10-01 03:40
I would date the photo from 1974-1978. Drucker's wide tie and general mangy hairstyles are decidedly post 60s but pre 80s. Drucker's horn shouts out R-13 to me; the oval-shaped stamp on the lower joint is convincing.
Love the dude in the wife beater ... bet he doubled on sax in the jazz band. v/r Ken
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Author: CPW
Date: 2005-10-01 04:22
That's NOT a GUY in the wifebeater.
Look closer.....those are.....well, at least they are not plastic.
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Author: BobD
Date: 2005-10-01 10:28
Early to mid 1970s is my guess due to the seersucker suit and horn rim glasses which were still popular then. I go along with the guess that the kid is holding Stanley's horn.....but it's just a dumb pose.
Bob Draznik
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Author: CPW
Date: 2005-10-01 21:50
Hey everybody, GBK found WALDO
(or is it the girl from Scooby-doo?)
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Author: CPW
Date: 2005-10-02 02:38
Supplement to NY Times magazine 1976 my vote
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2005-10-02 05:53
According to the Rovner website, the Rovner ligature was introduced 30 years ago. If the website is recent or, at least, up-to-date, that would make the photo 1975 or later. The history of sneakers at sneakerhead suggests that shoes styled like the one student is wearing would have been available by that time. To me (though my daughter disagrees), it appears that the cuffs of Stanley Drucker's jacket and slacks are both slightly flared. CPW may be right on. I'll guess 1975-78.
I have both a Series 9 and an R13 from that general time period. I agree with Chris P. that Stanley appears to be holding a Series 9. The labels, particularly on the upper joint, look more like Series 9 to me. What cinches it for me, however, is the shape of the bell. Buffet bells and Selmer bells from that era are quite different. That bell definitely looks like a Selmer bell to me. I wouldn't make too much of this, however. It is a master class and, while I have seen master classes where the instructor used an instrument to illustrate points, I have seen at least as many where the instructor did not use an instrument but rather critiqued/gave advice on the students' performance. It could be that neither of the clarinets in this obviously posed picture were Stanley Drucker's. He may have simply picked up one of the students' instruments for the photo.
Best regards,
jnk
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2005-10-03 10:26
Well, it's definitely not a '70s teenage detective TV series (as in Red Hand Gang or Bloodhound Gang etc.) - there's no ethnic diversity in that group.
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