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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2005-09-25 13:42
I'm looking for sheet music for a piece called Rocketekya by Osvaldo Golijov. Compositionally (is that a word?) it's not very difficult so I can transcribe it, but it would still take a long time (typing it all in Sibelius would take ages). Having the sheet music would make it much easier.
I tried contacting the composer's website but haven't received a reply yet (for about 2-3 weeks).
Thanks.
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Author: ClariBone
Date: 2005-09-25 16:50
There are several sites on the internet that may be able to help. The BBoard has a sheet music section, as well as 8notes and many others. Does the composer's website have a phone number, or address. Emails can be easily ignored (at least in my experience) while a direct call or letter not so much. Are you willing to buy it?? I gathered not, from your mentioning of transcribing it and putting it on Sibelious as an option. If you're not willing to buy it, maybe thats why you didn't recieve a reply. Give the composer a little credit for his hard work and buy it. You can get it from just about any legit music store (ask to order it if not in stock). Good Luck!!
Clayton
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2005-09-25 19:00
I'm absolutely willing to buy it. I will transcribe it if I can't find it (and it is good practice anyway). I am giving the composer all the credit he deserves. I even want to play this piece in a competition in my university since I liked it so much.
If you know about a store that has this piece and has secure online ordering please let me know.
Thanks.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2005-09-25 19:07
clarnibass wrote:
> I will transcribe it if I
> can't find it (and it is good practice anyway). I am giving the
> composer all the credit he deserves.
You can't do that and play it publicly. "giving the composer all the credit he deserves" includes getting permission to play it. You've done the right thing by contacting the composer, but you'll have to wait for the answer. Considering that the site is very explicit about this piece ("not currently available for performance") I think you're stuck ...
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Author: ClariBone
Date: 2005-09-25 19:40
That's very admirable (sp?). Sorry about the predicament, what with the song not allowed to be played publicly yet. Perphaps you could consult with the clarinet instructor at your university to help you find something similair?? Good Luck!!
Clayton
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2005-09-25 19:43
I did ask in my email if it is ok to play it, and I hope I will get a reply eventually. Composers I've contacted before were happy to send me sheet music, or suggest I transcribe since they don't have the sheet music.
I just found out this composer studied in the same university I'm studying, so maybe some teachers (or former students who are now teachers here) will have an idea about this.
By the way, what is considered publicly? I mean, does playing a CD I have in the car while people are in the car with me ilegal? Does playing a piece at home where neighbors can hear ilegal? What about playing this piece without an audience, there will be four people (the players) that will hear it. What if in this competition there are three or four judges, is that ilegal? I mean, where do you draw the line?
I might sound sarcastic, but I ask this very seriously.
"Perphaps you could consult with the clarinet instructor at your university to help you find something similair??"
Haha! I'm not going to begin describe why that is not possible!  (In short, I like him for many things but he can't help with this issue)
Thanks.
Post Edited (2005-09-25 19:59)
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2005-09-25 20:02
clarnibass wrote:
> I mean, does playing a
> CD I have in the car while people are in the car with me
> ilegal?
If it's a performance of this piece, making a CD would of course violate the composer's copyright, the performance copyright, and the mechanical copyright.
> Does playing a piece at home where neighbors can hear
> ilegal?
If you have no permission to play the piece at all - probably so.
> What about playing this piece without an audience,
> there will be four people (the players) that will hear it.
Transcribing it is a violation to start. Transcribing it for four players - just as bad.
> What
> if in this competition there are three or four judges, is that
> ilegal?
Most certainly you are breaking the law, and hopefully the judges would ask you for an authorized copy before you played. If the piece is hand-transcribed and is not in the public domain, they most probably will not allow you to play it.
> I mean, where do you draw the line?
By respecting the composer's rights, not ascribing those rights to yourself. We've had these discussions innumerable times in the past on the BBoard; I'm always surprised by the rationalizations people make. If you haven't obtained the rights to the music (if rights are required) you don't have the right to transcribe, perform, make money by playing, or record the music (and I'm sure I left out some other rights the composer may have) in the US without permission - until the copyright runs out.
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2005-09-25 20:26
I understand. I'll simply wait for a reply.
But just a few more questions.
"If it's a performance of this piece, making a CD would of course violate the composer's copyright, the performance copyright, and the mechanical copyright."
That is right, but I meant playing a CD I bought. Any CD, not necessarily this piece. I mean, you all probably hear CDs you've bought while other people are listening to them.
"....in the US without permission...."
I'm not in the USA (were you under the impression I was?) but I guess the law is the same here.
Post Edited (2005-09-25 20:27)
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2005-09-25 20:32
clarnibass wrote:
> That is right, but I meant playing a CD I bought. Any CD, not
> necessarily this piece. I mean, you all probably hear CDs
> you've bought while other people are listening to them.
Someone has already procured all the rights, and incidental listening is just fine. Broadcasting it is not. Playing it in its entirely for a class requires rights (most schools purchase a blanket right for this purpose).
> "....in the US without permission...."
>
> I'm not in the USA (were you under the impression I was?) but I
> guess the law is the same here.
I'm only familiar with US laws and the Berne Convention, which your country may subscribe to. Countries are free to create their own laws - and do
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2005-09-25 20:41
OK I'll find out the exact rules in my country, while I'm waiting for a reply.
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2005-10-03 15:26
OK I received a reply.
Anyway, I learned a lot about the difference between the culture in the USA (if making a generalization from Mark's culture to the USA) and the culture in my country.
Thanks.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2005-10-03 15:49
clarnibass wrote:
> Anyway, I learned a lot about the difference between the
> culture in the USA (if making a generalization from Mark's
> culture to the USA) and the culture in my country.
I don't think your country's rules are much different that ours; permission is always required to perform. Don't generalize about your response from a composer - that's completely different from following the rules.
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2005-10-03 15:56
That is not what I meant (and the composer's reply had nothing to do with it anyway). I won't get into this more. Thanks for your help.
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Author: mnorswor
Date: 2005-10-03 20:20
Why not just go to the composer's site and send him an email??!!
http://www.osvaldogolijov.com/
Michael
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2005-10-03 20:51
mnorswor wrote:
> Why not just go to the composer's site and send him an
> email??!!
He/she did ...
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