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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2005-09-22 13:50
To follow up on the Otto Link thread on ligs, I've now found the Mueller patent [noted there] and am now searching for pats on two more of the pressure plate variety, an H Selmer Paris for my Sel RI FB Bb cl mp, and a "similar" for my Bari Sax Martin [large dia./old] mp, saying PAGE NY on it. These two have a single, front-mounted, THUMBscrew for adjustment and are similarly secure in reed-holding. Others of our "seniors", please look in your junk boxes to see and report on the "unusuals" for our archives. Will post my findings here. Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: BobD
Date: 2005-09-23 09:43
Don, I don't have any "unusuals" around. But I'm wondering how old the traditional "two thumb screw" metal lig. is and when it was first used.
Bob Draznik
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Author: Steve B.
Date: 2005-09-23 12:34
In the '80's I had a traditional style 2 screw ligature made by Buffet, but this one had an extra metal curved plate between the screws which contacted the reed.
On this same subject with all this ligature technology floating around, I wonder how many people on this board use a traditional non-inverted 2 screw ligature.
Steve
Post Edited (2005-09-23 12:38)
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Author: ron b
Date: 2005-09-23 17:19
[...guy sitting at the far end, nodding almost impercepably, tentatively raises hand . . . ]
rb
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Author: GoatTnder
Date: 2005-09-23 17:49
I use one on my alto and tenor sax, does that count?
Andres Cabrera
South Bay Wind Ensemble
www.SouthBayWinds.com
sbwe@sbmusic.org
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2005-09-23 21:02
I still used a Yamaha traditional lig on soprano sax with a Selmer S80 C*, but soon bought a metal Lawton 7*B then an ebonite Lawton 6*B which is easier to get on with - so no need for a lig anymore! I ditched the cheapo ligs that came with Dukoff D7 alto and D8 bari mouthpieces and used Rovners with them, then ditched the Dukoffs for Lawtons and never looked back.
As for clarinets, it's been Rovners for aeons - I last used a metal lig when I started playing clarinet, but then bought a Rovner kit within a month.
I've still got some B&H ones in nickel plate with 'BH' on the lig.
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Author: joannew
Date: 2005-09-30 17:18
Attachment: lig.jpg (28k)
Here's a late entry for the pressure plate ligature gallery (please excuse the image quality). This lovely model appeared on a 1950's vintage FA Uebel alto. This must win the prize for biggest thumb screw, and perhaps also for heaviest pressure plate, with 3mm thick silver. This reed is not going anywhere!
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2005-09-30 17:26
"This reed is not going anywhere!"
It'll go right through the table if you tighten it too much! Or end up turning the lot into a diamond.
3mm thick! Blimey O'Riley! That's the same gauge bass clarinet keywork is made from!
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
Post Edited (2005-09-30 17:31)
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Author: Terry Stibal
Date: 2005-09-30 18:30
The thumb screw ligature is commonly attributed to that major league fount of things new in the clarinet world, Ivan Müller. He converted from string to a single screw ligature at some point in the early 19th Century, and the second screw came along somewhat later.
leader of Houston's Sounds Of The South Dance Orchestra
info@sotsdo.com
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2005-09-30 19:33
My vintage Bb clarinet ligature which I had mentioned in the previous thread on this subject looks very much like the Uebel one in joannew's photo (a few posts above). Mine, I think (as a mechanical engineer) is unlikely to damage the mouthpiece or reed, unless someone were to severely overtighten it with a wrench or pliers -- even then I suspect the ligature would break long before damaging the mouthpiece. Regardless, it works well and looks pretty good.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2005-09-30 19:52
I've seen one with exactly the same shape pressure plate (has a 'V' at either end), but that's going back a while.
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