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Author: Markus Wenninger
Date: 2005-08-23 06:04
Question: to play a note/string of notes "detimbre" - is there a precise way how to do it? aka, how does one take the colour out of a note precisely?
Thanky for any suggestions,
Markus
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2005-08-23 13:44
Dont find it in my "pocket terms" booklets. Timbre [tanbr] is quality of tone, so I'd guess the de- means poor?? Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: Arnoldstang
Date: 2005-08-23 14:34
I would suggest getting a French players take on this term. It might just mean playing without a lot of colour.....or perhaps a muted approach. John
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2005-08-23 15:40
GBK, I knew you'd know, just had to attract your attention !! Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2005-08-23 16:51
I roll my lower lip in over my teeth. This puts more of the lip in contact with the reed and makes the tone less resonant.
I also lower my jaw and the middle part of my tongue. It seems to me that this directs the airstream toward my hard palate rather than the reed and makes the airstream diffuse and turbulent. However, how it feels inside your mouth is notoriously disconnected from what's actually happening, so I'm willing to be proved wrong. Whatever I do, it decreases the high frequencies.
Below a certain air pressure, the reed vibrates without touching the rails of the mouthpiece. This also produces a less resonant sound. Some say that the "English" tone (e.g., Brymer) is produced by using a very open mouthpiece and a stiff reed, so that it is always in the non-touching mode.
Ken Shaw
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Author: Arnoldstang
Date: 2005-08-23 18:01
I guess the problem here is two fold. One to understand what the term means and two to achieve that effect. I sense(rather than know) that it doesn't mean just to play softer although that would cut down the highs. It might just be a conceptual thing here....... you don't have to employ a certain physical technique to achieve detimbre..... ie...just have that tonal goal in your head when you play that section of the music. I know this sounds rather new age but there you go. John
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Author: Markus Wenninger
Date: 2005-08-24 11:53
I think that´s it, what GBK wrote, make the tone hollow, i guessed so, but now I´ve got a prove that it´s meant like that. Thank You very much for Your input, this rolling in the tongue -thing deems me effective, I´ll try that. Thank You.
Markus
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Author: Hiroshi
Date: 2005-08-25 16:05
Flutists seem to change tone timbre like this:
http://www.sfz.se/flutetech/index.htm
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Author: Hiroshi
Date: 2005-08-25 16:14
Flutists seem to change tone timbre like this:
http://www.sfz.se/flutetech/index.htm
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Author: christian_comeau
Date: 2005-08-25 22:30
In french, "timbre" means the specific sound of an instrument.
For once it's "almost" useful to speak french on this bboard
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Author: Arnoldstang
Date: 2005-08-25 22:41
I doubt very much if it is subtone....ie breathy, woofy, unsupported tone....very suitable for tenor sax in a smokey bar. This would be very close to an Acker Bilk approach........hug the microphone and whisper John
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Author: Arnoldstang
Date: 2005-08-26 01:11
That should read 'whisper'. ..... John , not whisper John
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2005-08-26 09:02
Only I had no microphone to play a semi-breathy, partially-woofy but very supported solo into last night (and I was on tenor too!).
I had to shout John instead.
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Author: Arnoldstang
Date: 2005-08-26 13:30
My take on subtone is that it is soft playing......I don't use unsupported tone in a negative way. I just think that the air is rather limp and not driven . The jazz sound (if it exists) is more relaxed in a ballad settilng. The oral cavity and embouchure are not the same as in a Mozart Concerto. (generalization) I'm probably dead wrong but I hear less support with Ben Webster and Acker Bilk than I do wilth Marcellus. I like all these players but they blow differently. John
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