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Author: Alphie
Date: 2005-08-18 18:34
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Attached is a very early photo of a clarinet player. It's a daguerreotype of to me unknown origin probably from the 1850-60th. Do you have any interesting photos you want to share on this board?
Alphie
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Author: larryb
Date: 2005-08-18 22:00
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here's one: a group playing the Mozart Serenade for winds (K361) - outdoors in a beer garden
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Author: DougR
Date: 2005-08-19 01:35
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Let's see if this works: my great-uncle Herb Ramsdell, who played clarinet with all the top circus bands from approx 1914-something until 1930-something, and in the off-season played the pit at one of Madison's big vaudeville houses. (He had a set of A and Bb Albert system clarinets, and no, no one has the faintest idea what ever happened to them.)
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Author: Wayne Thompson
Date: 2005-08-19 01:57
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Alphie,
This is a picture you posted in another thread. I really want to know where you found it; this is fascinating. Perhaps its a siren or experiment in making a really loud signaling system.
WT
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Author: ned
Date: 2005-08-19 04:49
''Attached is a very early photo of a clarinet player.""
Sorry.......I'm confused............... this is a photograph not a daguerrotype, but you mention ''It's a daguerreotype of to me unknown origin probably from the 1850-60th.''
The bloke in ''the image'' is wearing a dinner suit which was not invented (designed, made....) until late 19th or early 20th century.
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Author: Alphie
Date: 2005-08-19 08:41
Wayne T, I think pewd has the answer. The picture is from a Danish site about triangular navigation: http://www.amtsgym-sdbg.dk/na/mw/landmaaling/ ,the device is Japanese and was made to position enemy planes. With little success.
John K, I take the publishers word for that it is a daguerreotype. How can you tell it isn’t?
As I said, I have no idea about the pictures origin but the instrument is most certainly a German C-clarinet from first half of the 19th century, probably after 1820. His hairstyle is definitely not from the turn of the last century. Let’s assume it’s his own instrument, why would he play an instrument that was considered so out of fashion? But maybe you’re right about the dinner suite. If you think it’s important I can e-mail the picture to Al Rice for a second opinion.
Alphie
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Author: Wayne Thompson
Date: 2005-08-19 20:34
Alphie and Pewd, thanks. Very interesting. I never dreamed of such technology, but now that I think about it, it makes sense. This is an array of very large ear trumpets ganged together in some fashion. What I like about the picture is that the devices are clearly designed for sound, though I could not imagine their use at first.
WT
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Author: ned
Date: 2005-08-20 06:41
''John K, I take the publishers word for that it is a daguerreotype. How can you tell it isn’t?''
Alphie - I can't tell either way except to say that dry plate photography was invented around 1871, and prior to this the wet collodian process in 1851 was popular which again, was preceded by the calotype which was developed at about the same time as the daguerrotype - circa 1839 .
I doubt if the daguerrotype, given its technical limitations and competiton to more advanced technology, would have been used in the 1900s at all. If this is so then, given the dress of the player in the picture which appears to be somewhat 20th century vintage, the image has to be a photograph.
The player may well have had a penchant for old instruments actually........my own job is a 1918 Buffet Albert System..............so he wouldn't be on his own in that department.
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Author: Liquorice
Date: 2005-08-20 15:16
Thanks for the link Alphie. Did you read George Bernard Shaw's crit on the Brahms Quintet? I'm glad he never came to any of MY concerts!!
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Author: DavidBlumberg
Date: 2005-08-20 19:39
How about the picture of one of the Marx Brothers playing a clarinet which blew bubbles.
I'll have to find it :-)
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Author: ned
Date: 2005-08-21 01:14
''Why would he lie about the picture being a daguerreotype or not?''
Alphie
You are being a little sensitive on Michael Bryant's behalf I think. There is no suggestion that he ''lied'' certainly, I'm not even remotely suggesting that this is the situation and I my mind, it's not even the issue really. The issue is whether this picture is a photograph or a daguerrotype.
I looked at the two links you provided, thank you. From the Woodwind Help, I see that he is quite well qualified in some fields, namely metallurgy and clarinet and music journalism, I don't see photography listed.
The British Library link is interesting too, and has amusing anecdotal pieces in it. I notice though, that below the quotations he has cited refereces from a wide variety of sources, but most of the illustrations and pictures are unacknowleged, and therefore, I would say, that he was meaning to include these items as merely embellishment, some appear to be clip-art available in the public domain.
Perhaps he meant to imply that the picture was ''old'' when using the term daguerrotype. I don't know, maybe you could ask him.
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Author: Alphie
Date: 2005-08-21 13:32
John, you're the skeptic, why don't you ask him yourself:
<Michael@bryant14.demon.co.uk>
Alphie
Post Edited (2005-08-21 13:38)
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Author: BobD
Date: 2005-08-21 14:10
Lighten up guys. ....the post is about old clarinet "photos" which is simply a short word for "pictures".
Bob Draznik
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