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Author: louieh19711
Date: 2005-08-11 03:16
How much is an 8 year old buffet r13 clarinet with a fixed crack in the neck worth compared to a new one?
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Author: Clarinetgirl06
Date: 2005-08-11 03:26
what's a neck of a clarinet? is this a bass? If it's a barrel, it can easily be replaced. But, that could bring down the selling price more-people will be scared of future cracks. Prolly around 1200 for it.
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Author: pewd
Date: 2005-08-11 05:36
new r13's are about $1780.
used in good shape (no cracks) run $1200-1400 on ebay. 7 years old, sometimes you see them on the lower end of that range on ebay (no damage). search completed listings on ebay for pricing data.
once you answer carries query we can help further.
if its just the barrel, doesn't matter - buy a new barrel and you're all set.
fixed crack in upper joint - is it visible? banded or pinned?
paul
- Paul Dods
Dallas, Texas
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Author: Brenda Siewert
Date: 2005-08-11 13:26
Yes, we need more info. But, I'm doubtful you can get 1200.00 right now for an 8 year old R-13. Probably around 1000.00 on a good day on eBay.
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Author: BobD
Date: 2005-08-11 16:47
Granny's probably more nearly correct. Despite the fact that very often pinning a crack resolves the problem there is no guarantee and that's why anyone contemplating such a purchase has reservations. Typically when you see an R13 listed for less than 900 you wonder what the catch is....and sometimes it's a repaired crack.
Bob Draznik
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Author: DavidBlumberg
Date: 2005-08-11 18:36
Maybe the question would be how much does a crack reduce the value of a Clarinet?
So say a $1500 Clarinet would be xxxx with a crack (fixed of course) of the same age.
Would it be more like $700, $900, or $1200?
Of course anything is worth whatever one will pay for it, but I would wonder what the average reduction for a fixed crack would be?
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Author: GBK
Date: 2005-08-11 18:59
DavidBlumberg wrote:
> Of course anything is worth whatever one will pay for it, but I
> would wonder what the average reduction for a fixed crack would
> be?
In my experience, observing the prices paid for used, cracked and repaired clarinets, between 30 - 40% off the average selling price of a comparable crack free clarinet.
We all know that cracked clarinets can be repaired to be almost undetectable and they can certainly play as good as before the repair.
However, for the buyer, there is a built in stigma about buying a previously cracked clarinet, thus the selling prices reflect this attitude ...GBK
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2005-08-11 21:53
Hi,
GBK is right on with "there is a built in stigma about buying a previously..."
Here is stuff I have around the house. Just add the items to the sentence above:
1. "cracked and pinned Selmer Series 9* clarinet that has perfect intonation and plays surperbly."
2. "banged up Selmer Mark VI Alto that has a replaced bottom bow from when it was dropped in 1961 (the only time I have ever leant out an instrument) but has been wonderful all these years."
3. "used Dell 700M that came from Dell as a refurbrished unit; it works perfectly, has the same warranty as a new one, and was a lot cheaper."
4."good left knee that has serious OA but is responding well to Hyalgan injections."
5. "perfect Acura 3.2TL Type S which when one week old got a huge scrape on the rear bumper-which was touch up perfectly- but is one of the best cars I have ever owned."
6. "used and slightly scratch when I bought it, Callaway Big Bertha Titanium Driver that can still launch the ball over 220 yards off the tee over and over again."
7. "married wife that has been the most marvelous solemate for over 20 years."
So, why does stuff always have to be new. IMHO, a little scrape, crack, scuff, or a small blemish only seems to add to the character. I'd just as soon let someone else take the initial depreciation.
HRL
PS If anyone wants to see this stuff still perform flawlessly, drop by the house for a demo (but call first):-). If anyone wants background info on #1 - #7 above, email me please.
Post Edited (2005-08-12 17:43)
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Author: diz
Date: 2005-08-11 22:13
Hank - you make me laugh!
Without music, the world would be grey, very grey.
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Author: BobD
Date: 2005-08-12 03:27
But Hank, who is it that you let use your driver to hit the ball like that....Oh, you didn't say "straight".....
Bob Draznik
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Author: louieh19711
Date: 2005-08-12 16:16
It is visible, and the work done to repair the crack removed much of the imbedded buffet emblem on the neck of the clarinet. Two pins were used to repair the crack.
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Author: Markael
Date: 2005-08-12 17:58
Hank, you could write some great ad copy for the personals!
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2005-08-12 21:36
Diz and Markael,
It was only the truth! Maybe a little different persective:-).
HRL
PS The list of #1 to #7 were just the things I could think of easily. I did not even get into items like Advent and AR stereo speakers, Rolex watches, Ralph Lauren clothes, putters, my desk (aka workstation), and a whole lot of other neat stuff that I have purchased for deeply discounted prices. My children are even better bargain hunters.
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Author: donald
Date: 2005-08-12 21:44
there are many cases of cracked instruments that play perfectly well
there are also many cases of cracks being fixed, but then opening up- or the instrument cracking in another place
my R13 B flat, for instance, has a crack that has been fixed by both Francois Kloc and Gordon Palmer (who sometimes posts here), this crack has spread a little, and the (very fine) repairs done to it were both virtually invisible after the work was done, but became more visible as the crack spread. The instrument plays well, but it would be very sensible for someone to have 2nd thoughts about paying top dollar for it.....
"cracks are like that, what the hell can you do?" (to slightly misquote)
keep playing the good tunes
donald
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2005-08-12 21:45
My life is one big cracked deep discount --- but hey, I'm doing OK!
Getting back to the subject: potentially reduced resale value notwithstanding, cracks in wood instruments are almost always 100% repairable and will not in any way affect the playing qualities of the instrument if properly repaired -- as noted by many of the fine posters above.
I can't speak for Hank's left knee......
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Author: Bob A
Date: 2005-08-12 22:54
Hey Hank, to H...with the clarinets. Tell me how you get over 220 out of your driver? Your younger than me , right?-- Knee flex doesn't enter into it, right?
Bob A
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Author: Karel
Date: 2005-08-13 00:42
Louieh19711,
I would hazard a guess that you are a Sax player basically, or else why do you persist in using the term "neck" which, as has been pointed out to you has no meaning in clarinet terminology? It makes it hard to offer sensible advice when the question is so imprecise. Have a go at explaining which part of the clarinet you are talking about, starting from the top without the mouthpiece.
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Author: Kel
Date: 2005-08-13 01:53
Louie19711, welcome to the clarinet forum. Most of the folks here are nice, helpful people. It's best to ignore those who aren't.
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