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Author: Keil
Date: 2000-03-18 18:47
I am wondering which orchestras are considered the top 10 in the US? please list from 10-1, going from strong to strongest.
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Author: steve
Date: 2000-03-18 20:42
hard to say....the level of performance among orchestral instrumentalists in america is so high now, and there are so many phenomenal musicians around, that on any given night, in any given city, you can catch a symphony performance of a high enough quality to make beautiful musical memories....
when I was a kid in the 1850's (1950's), people referred to the "big five": boston, ny phil, philly, cleveland, and chicago, and the met opera orchestra...every day, I hear a recording of an american orchestra that I've never heard before...usually phenomenal..
s.
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Author: Kim
Date: 2000-03-19 03:41
There's no such thing as a "Top 10". All musicians in a professional orchestra are professionals and are equally capable of learning music to the same degree of professionalism.
However, the difference in the orchestras are their directors. But, how can one judge an orchestral director's interpretation of the same work when it is just as good and well-prepared as the other.
This question is like asking the age old question "Which brand is the best?" There is no best brand because all are equally good and one of these brands will end being the best sounding, most resonant for that clarinetist.
You can't judge orchestras the same way you judge sports teams! WE ARE THE PROFESSIONALS! The always win or lose. They also come with a loss if they lose a championship. When we perform well it is always well received and should never be judged in a "Who's the best?" way.
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Author: Kim
Date: 2000-03-19 03:41
There's no such thing as a "Top 10". All musicians in a professional orchestra are professionals and are equally capable of learning music to the same degree of professionalism.
However, the difference in the orchestras are their directors. But, how can one judge an orchestral director's interpretation of the same work when it is just as good and well-prepared as the other.
This question is like asking the age old question "Which brand is the best?" There is no best brand because all are equally good and one of these brands will end being the best sounding, most resonant for that clarinetist.
You can't judge orchestras the same way you judge sports teams! WE ARE THE PROFESSIONALS! They always win or lose. They also come with a loss if they lose a championship. When we perform well it is always well received and should never be judged in a "Who's the best?" way.
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Author: Becky
Date: 2000-03-19 13:31
Good talkin' Kim. I totally agree.
Becky
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Author: Keil
Date: 2000-03-19 13:51
Hay De Me... why is it that a simple question always gets over analyzed and then we lose sight of what was actually being asked? this happens continually on this message board, people go beyond what was asked and get philosophical. In theory everything that Kim said is correct but the whole question was based on ones opinions of orchestras. I never said there was a right or wrong answer i merely wanted to see what you think. I appreciate Steve's straight forward, direct, and too the point answer that was what i was looking for. Here is the question again but under different circumstances. If i wanted to travel across america and hear in person 10 orchestras before i died which 10 would that HAVE to be in everyone's opinion?
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2000-03-19 14:27
Keil wrote:
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Hay De Me... why is it that a simple question always gets over analyzed and then we lose sight of what was actually being asked? this happens continually on this message board, people go beyond what was asked and get philosophical.
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Personally, I think some of the questions posed are not well thought out for a public forum. They're more what I might ask a friend in private casual conversion, not what I'd post on a BBoard read by thousands of people. Any time any asks for "the best" they're opening themselves up for criticism.
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If i wanted to travel across america and hear in person 10 orchestras before i died which 10 would that HAVE to be in everyone's opinion?
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I'd beg, borrow, or steal enough money to go travelling around the world, not just stick to the USA :^)
It depends on the kind of music you want to hear. If you like Hohvaness, I think the Seattle Symphony does some of the best renditions (listen to the "Mt. St. Helen's Symphony"). Here in Detroit Neeme Jarvi does wondrous things with Detroit Symphony and the music of Smetana and Barber. I was lucky enough many, many years ago to hear Chicago and hear Reiner conduct Strauss (Till, no less), and lived in Buffalo, NY during the Foss years, where every year the program was interesting - to say the least. In a couple of weeks I'll head down to Cleveland and here Bronfman play Beethoven (along with the "Eroica") at the "new" Severance Hall - my first experience hearing Cleveland live.
With the exception of Chicago & Cleveland, I don't know if the orchestras listed above are in the "top 10", but for some of the music they decide to play I think they are at the same level as the "name" orchestras.
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Author: steve
Date: 2000-03-20 23:24
ok....I'm very biased....we had season tics to cleveland from 1959-72....imho, there was nor ever will be anything to compare to Szell conducting Schubert with marcellus, mack, goslee, sharp and bloom (hn) on solo ww chairs...
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all kidding aside, a local orchestra with a short season, my hometown Delaware Symphony, never ceases to amaze me...
If I had a hance to travel around th US listening to symphony orchestras, the only thing I would say is ok!!!!
s
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2000-03-21 00:22
steve wrote:
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ok....I'm very biased....we had season tics to cleveland from 1959-72....imho, there was nor ever will be anything to compare to Szell conducting Schubert with marcellus, mack, goslee, sharp and bloom (hn) on solo ww chairs...
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My son has John Mack as a chamber music coach. He told me that John regularly regales them with stories & anecdotes about the Cleveland woodwind section of that era ... it ain't fair. I pay the money, the kid gets to have all the fun!
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Author: steve
Date: 2000-03-21 15:27
youth is wasted on young people...
s.
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