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Author: Brenda Siewert
Date: 2005-08-03 14:59
I just got my new Backun bell, but it's too big on my R-13. Should I get a thin piece of cork and put it on the lower tenon joint? Yeah, yeah, yeah...I've heard of duct tape--I don't think so. The problem would be that I couldn't use the standard bell with it if I wanted to do so. So, what would happen if I built up the inside of the bell (joint part only) a bit. And, if so, what would I use that wouldn't change the tonal quality. By the way---it has a really wonderful tone and does make a difference.
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Author: Tom Piercy
Date: 2005-08-03 15:16
I suggest you contact Mr. Backun directly with your questions. He is a most helpful person.
www.backunmusical.com
604-205-5770
Tom Piercy
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Author: msloss
Date: 2005-08-03 15:27
I'm sure Backun will take care of you, but if you are looking for a quick fix while you are waiting (after all, you've got a new toy!), a slip of paper cut to the width of the tenon and wrapped around the cork works as a good temporary shim. If you want something more robust but also removable, you can use waxed dental floss wound around the cork.
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Author: jbutler ★2017
Date: 2005-08-03 15:38
I suggest plumbers teflon tape, easy on/easy off.
jbutler
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2005-08-03 15:53
Teflon Plumber tape. 99cents at Home Despot(sic)
When ordering from Backun, he usually asks for tenon width measurements in 2 diameters, and measured on the wood above and below the cork and on the middle of the cork itself.
Did you get the bell with the resonance hole?
Notice also the circumferential ridges below the tenon socket. Yamaha has incorporated a similar scoop in some of their instruments.
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
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Author: hartt
Date: 2005-08-03 15:55
Brenda
I, too have used the teflon tape on the Uj to fit bbls. I found, however, that after it sits on the cork a bit and teh bbl is on/off, on/off, it is difficult to remove and I virtually had to pick it off with a clarinet'screwdriver.....being careful not to damage the cork.
Another alternative is something Chadash told me.......Coat the inside of the bbl socket or bell in your case with clear nailpolish. Give it several coats to build it up. Roatate the bell as you apply it to assure an even coat. It's easily removed with nail polish remover.
dennis
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2005-08-03 17:18
Nail polish? hmmmmm
My own preference for this purpose is natural shellac sealer. Will not harm the wood, can be applied in layers, sand smooth, is cheap, and has a one year shelf life after openning.
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
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Author: DavidBlumberg
Date: 2005-08-03 17:29
Send it back and get one that fits.
He's totally cool with that. (assuming that it is new and not an ebay turnover)
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Author: Brenda Siewert
Date: 2005-08-03 19:02
Wow, more good ideas and knowledge! My husband suggested varnishing the inside, but I was concerned about ruining the cork on my lower tenon. But, Alseg's idea about the shellac sealer is a good one. They're all good.
I think I'll skip the nail polish idea, though. Chemically I think the shellac is better. It really is a very minor thing--it doesn't fall off or anything, but it is very loose.
No, I didn't get the one with the resonance hole.
I bought this on eBay from Mark Weinstein--not directly from Morrie Backun. But, I only paid $350.00 for it also! So I hesitate to send it back for exchange to Morrie! Wouldn't be right.
I also want to say that I've never tried anything that did so much to fix my over the break problems--other than $$$ for lessons and many hours of practice. It's very smooth and such a lovely tone.
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2005-08-03 22:24
I learned the shellac trick from Morrie via telephone when I got an eefer bell. He uses it as a sealant....the bell fit, by the way, but I sent detailed measurements for him to use.
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
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Author: crnichols
Date: 2005-08-03 22:45
Regarding the break, a technique that Harold Wright used was when playing long B, to open the throat A key also. When slurring from throat A to long B, use TR oxx oxx and the E/B key. This makes these notes higher though, so you must voice down, and it helps to hold the bell between the knees also to help bring the pitch down on long B. It takes some getting used to, but it sure helps with the Mendelssohn Scherzo a ton! If you work on the technique for a while and then listen to one of his recordings, it's incredibly evident that he used that fingering all of the time.
Christopher Nichols
1st Infantry Division Band
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Author: EEBaum
Date: 2005-08-04 00:28
Ah... had you bought from Morrie, he asks for the serial number and selects/makes one to fit your model's exact dimensions... my top joint even needed recorking because my less-than-delightful stock barrel had over-compressed the cork, making a loose fit with the more-appropriately-fitted Backun.
-Alex
www.mostlydifferent.com
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Author: larryb
Date: 2005-08-04 03:30
I never knew that a particular bell could help with over-the-break issues.
can you explain how that works?
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Author: ClarinetRepublican
Date: 2005-08-04 06:42
The brannens told me once that if a joint is loose and your cant have a new cork on right away then to use to dental floss, this has worked pretty well for me when I needed it, i'm not sure how well it would work with the barrels but its worth a try if nothing else works.
Larry b-
i don't know how it makes a difference, but it does, its smoother and the tone is better matched with out so much effort. It also make differeces in the upper joint notes. Simply put, they just rock.
J
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Author: Brenda Siewert
Date: 2005-08-04 13:47
For the time being, until I buy the shellac, the piece of paper worked just great. I used a standard computer paper and that's all the thickness I needed. It worked great, but I'm about to get back to an 8 hour a day rehearsal schedule and so I think I'll have to use the shellac--carefully. No need to send it back to Morrie because it was an easy fix with the paper.
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Author: BobD
Date: 2005-08-04 16:56
I'm not too hot on the dental floss idea myself. ....even the teflon coated kind. Same for the shellac idea. Plumbers teflon tape either the regular kind or the gas pipe kind. It's really not that difficult to remove when necessary and it's absolutely harmless to the socket.
Bob Draznik
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Author: JHS
Date: 2005-08-04 17:36
Would it not perhaps be a more permanent fix to simply have your tech install a slightly thicker layer of cork around the offending tenon?
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Author: Brenda Siewert
Date: 2005-08-05 00:34
JHS, yes, that would work to have a thicker cork--however, I wouldn't be able to use the stock bell that came with the instrument, should I want to do so.
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2005-08-05 13:21
Recork for the new bell.
Ream out the old one.
(Ferrees sells a socket reamer adapter for this if you like DIY)
FYI I contacted my web dude and will get rid of the flash so that I will no longer be (sob) high level access. no more agent 004V12
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2005-08-05 13:29
Alseg wrote:
> FYI I contacted my web dude and will get rid of the flash so
> that I will no longer be (sob) high level access. no more agent
> 004V12
Tell the Web guy to be a bit more sophisticated and check to see if flash is already installed and branch accordingly ...
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Author: JHS
Date: 2005-08-05 13:48
"JHS, yes, that would work to have a thicker cork--however, I wouldn't be able to use the stock bell that came with the instrument, should I want to do so".
clarinetgrammy
I should have read your original post with a bit more thoroughness.
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Author: Brenda Siewert
Date: 2005-08-05 14:20
JHS, I appreciate your input. I think Alseg has an excellent idea to get the thicker cork and ream out the original. That is the ideal fix. Of course, I doubt I'll be playing the stock bell because the Backun is stunningly better. When I practice I have to put it down and marvel at it from time to time. Sound travels completely through the instrument (yes, I know sound always travels through the instrument) in the way my clarinet teacher used to dream it would from MY instrument. It's a "fill up the hall" sound--and SWEET!
All I can say is this--if you can afford one directly from Morrie it's worth it! If not, keep your eyes open for a good deal on a used one. Even if it's not the pick of the litter or a hand-selected for your specific instrument, it's going to make a huge difference. Now all I need is the barrel. Then, when he gets some of those custom clarinets cranked out.... Guess I need someone to dump a barrel full of money on my front porch--or maybe just need to get back to practicing.
But, you know, I've read good things about Alseg's barrels lately. Since I'm also an IBS sufferer maybe he'll make me a good deal on one. Too much stress isn't good...
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Author: Clarinetgirl06
Date: 2005-08-05 21:05
I've had a bad experience with paper on thin (depressed) cork. My marching clarinet's middle tenon cork was loose and the bottom joint kept falling off and would land on the ground (sometimes grass, sometimes tile, cement, etc. BAD!). Well, I got a regular piece of computer paper and put a strip of paper on the cork and then put the clarinet together. Well, I was trying to get it off (using twisting/pulling motions) and my clarinet snapped in half. To make the story short- I had to use my dad's old bundy, it costs $180 to get a replacement joint and for the work, and it took me a year to get it back. That was a couple of years ago, but I am still afraid to put paper on my cork.
Hope it works well for you! If you can't get it off, take it to a tech! Good luck!
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Author: Morrie Backun
Date: 2005-08-11 15:34
Hello,
I am writing because I just checked and we do not have any record of you buying a bell from us. I am guessing that you purchased a used one from EBAY or a private player which may have been specifically fit or altered for their instrument. The fitting is an important part of getting the optimum result from a bell or barrel so I suggest that you have it professionally sleeved and then recut to fit. It is possible that the one you have was designed with a different bore than the ones we normally suggest for a Buffet R-13.
Best of luck
Morrie Backun
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Author: BobD
Date: 2005-08-11 16:51
"maybe he'll make me a good deal on one"
Hmmmmmmm
Bob Draznik
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Author: Morrie Backun
Date: 2005-08-11 17:29
Hi Brenda,
Feel free to call me at 6042055770 and I can explain the various options for you and try to help get you "completely fit"
Regards,
Morrie Backun
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2005-08-11 17:38
Morrie Backun wrote:
> Hi Brenda,
>
> Feel free to call me at 6042055770 and I can explain the
> various options for you and try to help get you "completely
> fit"
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> Regards,
>
> Morrie Backun
Now THAT'S good service. That's why I like this board. You'll find about the people that actually care about their craft and don't just turn over products without following up/caring about them.
Alexi
US Army Japan Band
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