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Author: mary
Date: 2000-03-16 17:05
I'm looking into buying a Rossi clarinet and am a liitle confused by the different bore sizes which correspond to different schools of playing (American, English, French, Viennese). I want to be dark yet resonant and responsive. Does anyone have any suggestions? Or clarinetists to listen to who exemplify these national schools? Thanx!
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Author: steve
Date: 2000-03-16 17:44
Dan Leeson, a very prominent musicologist and clarinetist, wrote an article on national clarinet schools and their differing sounds...I think our webmaster knows how to find it...there has also been much talk over the years on this topic on klarinet-L....
Dan also wrote about the "dark, resonant and responsive, etc" sound, and how it means different things to different people...a very funny article...
that being said, the rossi bores designations refer to, I think, the bore shapes and sizes found on certain well known instruments played in the 20th century
American refers to (again, I may be wrong) the polycylindrical bore of the buffet R-13 of the post war era, english to the boosey and hawkes large bore clarinet favored by some top british players (a model 1010?), french is a smaller bore buffet, similar to the RC models of today, and I think viennese refers to wurlitzer or hammerschmidt oehler system instruments played today in germany or austria. Certain bore sizes require certain types of mouthpieces and barrels to tune properly and sound right, as well as differing reed specifications, embrochure set-ups....
folks that exemplify the characteristic tones of national schools?? hard to say....because of musical cross-pollination in the latter part of the 20th century, "national schools" are becoming less distinct, because distinctions like that arise and perpetuate under conditions of relative isolation, and, clarinet players at the top pro level are trying to make what they personally consider a beautiful sound using whatever equipment works best for him or her...but some differences are apparent to a finely tuned ear and musical sensibility...until very recently, German orchestras wouldn't even let you audition if you didnt play german school oehler system clarinets, and dutch folks almost exclusively played reform boehm horns with german type bores, I think....
when I think of american school, I think marcellus, french school deplus, english depeyer, and german leister.
more importantly, all these cats are superb musicians with beautiful sounds....how do you want to sound???
s.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2000-03-16 19:26
mary wrote:
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I'm looking into buying a Rossi clarinet and am a liitle confused by the different bore sizes which correspond to different schools of playing (American, English, French, Viennese). I want to be dark yet resonant and responsive. Does anyone have any suggestions?
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Primary and only suggestion - try all three bore styles. Those instruments deserve a trial first. Luis Rossi will be in Boston in June (check the ICC 2000 classes in the Sponsors section) and in Oklahoma in July (ICA ClarinetFest - again, check the Sponsors).
Re: Dan Leeson & national styles - check the Klarinet Archives for
Leeson national school
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Author: Hiroshi
Date: 2000-03-17 06:14
In trial how about using Rossi's own mouthpieces for those types not yours.
If I were you, I would try Peter Eaton(English mfg) and Wuritzer reformed Boem(German mfg) also at ClarinetFest.
Rossi has selections of materials also: grenadilla,rosewood,and others. Why not try them all?
Rossis are very expensive clarinets.....
By the way, Jonathan Coehler plays Rossis but I do not know his bore size choice.
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Author: Graham Elliott
Date: 2000-03-17 08:09
Someone who plays the french bore Rossi told me it is a little wider than the modern buffets, being 14.7mm nominal but as wide as 14.9mm near the top.
Incidentally, I get the impression from the messages on this board that US players are commonly striving for what they call a dark sound, yet the impression on this side of the pond is that they like a tight focused bright sound. See for example the Howarths web site concerning their newly developed narrower bore instrument which they say is intended to appeal to American players who prefer a brighter sound. Seems like there may be a language gap here.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2000-03-17 10:57
Graham Elliott wrote:
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Incidentally, I get the impression from the messages on this board that US players are commonly striving for what they call a dark sound, yet the impression on this side of the pond is that they like a tight focused bright sound.
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Which is why Dan Leeson says "feh" every time someone brings up "light" or "dark" on the Klarinet list. Not that the terms can't be quantified, but because they aren't.
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Author: Kai
Date: 2000-03-19 12:05
Somebody mentioned a Boosey & Hawkes 1010 which if I'm not wrong, is no longer in producion but apparently its design had been followed closely or even improved upon in Peter Eaton Clarinets, favoured by quite a number of British players and I think, else where too. However, I have yet to meet anyone who has used such an instrument.
Has anyone reading this used one? I would like to know more about the instrument.
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