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Author: Tim Wilson
Date: 2000-03-16 02:46
I could greatly use some help figuring out what I have got in this clarinet I just purchased. it's a 1952 vintage Bb R13 and has a low Eb key, making the horn at least an inch longer, and two additional keys, one on each section, for alternate fingerings. Does anyone know what this clarinet might be called? There must be a name for this model. I would greatly appreciate any light that anyone might shed on this. I'd love to know if the extra keys are considered to be desirable, and maybe some insight as to why they seem to be so rare? Thanks so much to any and all who can reply!!
Tim Wilson
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Author: Kevin L. Oviatt
Date: 2000-03-16 05:06
Search under Full Boehm Mine has such horrendous pitch problems I bought new R13,and glad I did.
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Author: Eoin
Date: 2000-03-16 07:28
This sounds like the 20-key 7-ring model. As far as I know, the extra keys are:
Low Eb, for playing below the normal lowest note of a clarinet. If your technique is good enough, you now don't need an A clarinet! It also plays a Bb in the clarino register which is the same note as the infamous throat Bb.
Alternative Ab/Eb is a key operated by the left little finger as an alternative to the normal Ab/Eb key operated by the right little finger.
Extra key between the left first and second finger holes. This is for doing a B - C# trill in the chalumeau or an F# - G# in the clarino register.
Extra ring on the left ring finger. This is for an alternative fingering for Eb (chalumeau) or Bb (clarino). Use Left thumb, index finger and ring finger only.
I've heard that all this extra metal makes the clarinet a good bit heavier than the standard.
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Author: Dee
Date: 2000-03-16 14:20
If it is a 1952 model, it is probably not an R-13 but the preceding professional grade model.
The extra keys for some reason never really caught on. Although they provide some advantages, they also provide some disadvantages. The instrument is heavier and the key mechanism more complex.
The forked Eb/Bb and the articulated G#/C# make some new alternate fingerings available but eliminate some existing alternate fingerings.
So the end result is that some players like them and some don't. Even among those who do, some don't want to spend the extra money.
The additional keys have been available as special order options for over 100 years.
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Author: Laurie
Date: 2000-03-16 21:50
Hey -
Does anyone have a picture of this clarinet ?! It seems cool ! Please wb 
Laur
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Author: Jessica
Date: 2000-03-16 22:36
I wish I had one! Respighi's Pines of Rome, second movement is for Bb clarinet and goes down to an Eb. I hate having to switch to an A and transposing when he specifically called for a Bb. On the other hand, anyone who plays the Ginastera Variations on the Bb (as called for) is a dang fool - it lays like a mother on the Bb! So I'm not a purist all of the time, just when I can afford to be one. :-)
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Author: Sherwood W. Franklin
Date: 2000-03-18 16:48
Laurie wrote:
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Hey -
Does anyone have a picture of this clarinet ?! It seems cool ! Please wb
Laur
Laurie, There is a picture of the clarinet on ebay. Look for completed auctionsn then go to search by item number and look for Item # 258754110. This clarinet sold for $2000. I find these discussions interesting because about a year ago, I was looking for some information on my clarinet ( Buffet Model R-16 3/4) which is a 20 key - 7 ring full Boehem system. I have had this clarinet since new purchased in 1941. The clarinet was made around 1937. It has a beautiful tone and although it is longer and a bit heavier then a "normal" clarinet, it is not a problem. Last year I visited the Buffet Factory in France and had my clarinet with me. They were quite surprised at its mint condition. I was told that these full boehem models are still manufactured for the Italian and Russian markets.
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Author: Tim Wilson
Date: 2000-03-18 19:50
Hello Mr. Franklin. I read your message on the bulletin board regarding your R-16 3/4 clarinet, and wonder whether my clarinet may be the same model. I purchased mine just a year ago, actually so naive about what I was buying that I just assument it was an R-13 with an extra key or two. I am just trying to figure out now what I really have. Mine is indeed lomger, almost 2" longer than the "standard". It was made in about 1952 (serial# 47592). It has the full Boehm sytem, with 20 keys and 7 rings. How do I know if this is the R-16 3/4? Someone suggested that it might be an R-26. How can I tell? Any light you can shed on this would be much appreciated. Also, two tone holes on mine have been professionally sealed shut. They are the uppermost trill key (operated by the right hand index finger) and that articulated G# hole, (last one in the upper section). My "middle" A plays very sharp, so I've assument that these holes were plugged for intonation problems. What do you think? I'm plannig on a complete overhaul, maybe having the tone holes re-drilled as well. I paid $600 for the instrument, which is actually in very good shape! Thanks in advance for any help you may offer. Take good care!
-Tim Wilson
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Author: Tim Wilson
Date: 2000-03-18 19:52
Hello Mr. Franklin. I read your message on the bulletin board regarding your R-16 3/4 clarinet, and wonder whether my clarinet may be the same model. I purchased mine just a year ago, actually so naive about what I was buying that I just assument it was an R-13 with an extra key or two. I am just trying to figure out now what I really have. Mine is indeed lomger, almost 2" longer than the "standard". It was made in about 1952 (serial# 47592). It has the full Boehm sytem, with 20 keys and 7 rings. How do I know if this is the R-16 3/4? Someone suggested that it might be an R-26. How can I tell? Any light you can shed on this would be much appreciated. Also, two tone holes on mine have been professionally sealed shut. They are the uppermost trill key (operated by the right hand index finger) and that articulated G# hole, (last one in the upper section). My "middle" A plays very sharp, so I've assument that these holes were plugged for intonation problems. What do you think? I'm plannig on a complete overhaul, maybe having the tone holes re-drilled as well. I paid $600 for the instrument, which is actually in very good shape! Thanks in advance for any help you may offer. Take good care!
-Tim Wilson
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