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Author: RodRubber
Date: 2005-07-22 21:50
Hi Friends,
The other night I was returning to the Washington DC area after a performance in Philadelphia. I stopped at a local bennigans restuarant about halfway, and noticed that there was a vintage clarinet nailed to the wall. Upon closer inspection, i discovered it was outfitted with a lelandais mouthpiece in seemingly excellent condition. I asked the waiter if i could talk to the manager in the hopes of attaining the mouthpiece, but the waiter said "Just take it" so I did. Lucky me!
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2005-07-22 22:16
Hi Rod Rubber,
Maybe I am "old-fashioned" but I don't believe the waiter had the right to give you permission to "just take it." The manager probably would not have had that right either since that individual is probably not the owner of that particular Bennigan's.
Sorry to bare my value system to all but...
HRL
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Author: cujo
Date: 2005-07-22 22:23
Someone gave you permission leaving all the responsibilty on them. Nice find.
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Author: Tyler
Date: 2005-07-22 22:24
too bad...clarinetists will take over the world no matter what...hahaha!
-Tyler
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Author: LarryBocaner ★2017
Date: 2005-07-22 22:37
Hope you left one hell of a tip! I have a whole drawer full of Buffet mouthpieces you can swap for it!
Post Edited (2005-07-22 22:55)
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Author: Ralph G
Date: 2005-07-22 22:40
Stradiwhovius?
/Simpsons reference
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Author: RodRubber
Date: 2005-07-22 22:42
Hank,
Most people don't value clarinet mouthpieces, the waiter didn't really think it was a problem, not to mention, he was well taken care of by me!
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Author: BobD
Date: 2005-07-22 23:00
But, what the heck was it doing nailed to the wall? How long had it been there? and so on....
Bob Draznik
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2005-07-23 00:48
When all is said and done, and brand name notwithstanding, the mouthpiece is not likely to play worth a darn without refacing anyway. (All ethical issues aside.)
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Author: RodRubber
Date: 2005-07-23 05:51
Right,
I measured it, and it is very crooked, although played a little, and seemed like it had a decent tone, so i shall send it to somebody to get fixed.
When there is a clarinet nailed against a wall, the owner doesn't value it too much. Im sure no one is gonna miss it at bennigans. The waiter whose ethics are being called into question, was greatly amused and bewildered that some old piece of rubber had any value to anyone.
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Author: msroboto
Date: 2005-07-23 12:48
Hey if Rod wanted to make it right with Bennigan's he could always reach into his drawer and give them back a mouthpiece.
Any mouthpiece would serve the same purpose on the wall.
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Author: donald
Date: 2005-07-25 02:55
msroboto- exactly what i was thinking
please let us know how this one turns out, you lucky.... er, who are you anyway?
donald
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2005-07-25 15:00
You're out for the night so you've hired a baby sitter. The baby sitter has ordered a pizza. While the sitter is paying for the pizza, the pizza delivery person notices a collection of hundreds of eggs arranged around your living room as decorations. One of the eggs happens to be a Faberge. The pizza delivery person recognizes the egg for what it is and asks your baby sitter to ask your child if it's for sale. The baby sitter, figuring you will never miss it from all the other eggs, says, "Oh, you can just take it." So the pizza delivery person does. Ecstatic over this piece of good fortune, the pizza delivery person says, "The pizza is on the house." Whereupon, the babysitter pockets the money that you provided to pay for the pizza.
Who has acted incorrectly in this situation? illegally? unethically?
Does it make any difference to your answers whether you (the owner of the egg) know it's a Faberge or not?
Best regards,
jnk
Post Edited (2005-07-25 15:25)
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Author: RodRubber
Date: 2005-07-25 15:38
Guys,
When i wrote this post, i was just trying to share a funny story, and didn't expect this backlash of ethical concerns. Honestly, i really don't think that this story is very similar to the faberge egg comparison. First of all, many restaurants ive been to in the area display old or antique instruments on the walls. Obviously if they are on the wall, they are not being used for their real purpose, which is to play music. The faberge egg is known collectible, made only for the purpose of display, and has no use besides that. As someone in an earlier post stated, any mouthpiece could serve the purpose of the wall display.
If no other clarinetist in the "know" about mouthpieces had never walked into this place, which seemingly attracts mainly truckers, derelects, lowlifes etc do to its close location to the highway, and about fifteen strip bars, the mouthpiece would have sat there another twenty yrs. Lets be realistic here, there was no harm and no foul, and ill let you know whether this mouthpiece turns out well or not, otherwise look for it on ebay.
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Author: DavidBlumberg
Date: 2005-07-25 16:27
Yeah, you really should replace that mouthpiece on the wall with a Kaspar or something ......... 
Great find man!!!!
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Author: cujo
Date: 2005-07-25 16:35
The egg story is a different situation.
Point 1. You should not give away things that are not yours.
2. If someone expected you to buy something with thier money and the money was not used it should be given back.
3. She kept the money in exchange for a someone elses property and a pizza making her a thief.
4. She wont tell owner about the free pizza and money so owner wouldnt wonder why pizza was free making her a lier.
It is mostly not pizza guys fault because he offered money in exchange. He still should not have expected a child that needs babysitting authority over parents things. People that collect things are most likely not going to sell them either. Yet he was given permission, leaving all responsibily to sitter.
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Author: Don Poulsen
Date: 2005-07-25 17:08
Perhaps Jack Kissinger's post used an unlikely situation as an illustration, but that is what it was -- an illustration. (And I expect his questions were rhetorical.) The bottom line in any case is that the waiter didn't have the authority to be giving away the restaurant's property (at least anything more than a soft drink refill to go or a few extra napkins) and one should recognize that. The best way of handling the situation would have been to insist on speaking to the manager and then explaining to him that the mouthpiece was a quality object worthy of more than being hung on the wall and then offering to pay for it or to replace it with something similar. I think one can rightly assume that the manager would either have the proper authority to decide to give it away or, if not, let you know who had the authority.
But, it is not too late for Rod to return to the restaurant, explain to the manager what happened, saying that he didn't stop to think at the time that the waiter probably didn't have the authority to be giving it away and then offering to return it, replace it or provide some compensation. The manager would likely be satisfied receiving any old mouthpiece in return, since it was being used as a decoration.
And, in the end, Rod will hopefully have a great new mouthpiece and a clear conscience and the restaurant will be as well decorated as before.
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Author: RodRubber
Date: 2005-07-25 17:09
Hey Blumberg,
I have a couple of those that play like real dogs. BTW, I used to play in district band or something with one of your former students.
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Author: RodRubber
Date: 2005-07-25 17:21
Blumberg
PA
My teacher during those yrs was Beth Vilsmeier, then I went off to Mr Gigliotti, and i was the last student he ever gave a lesson to.
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Author: Tyler
Date: 2005-07-25 18:32
So the waiter is probably going to hell now, and Mr. RodRubber will surely be arrested because he has no papers on the mouthpiece (because we all know how many legal papers come with mouthpieces).
And the manager probably plays or knows someone who plays that mouthpiece every day and that's why it's so warped, right?
Have a nice day
-Tyler
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Author: donald
Date: 2005-07-26 08:30
except that the cops won't ever find "rodrubber" because they don't know his/her real name.....
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Author: Don Poulsen
Date: 2005-07-26 15:40
Some of us try to do what's right simply for the sake of doing what is right, not just in situations where we might get in trouble if we're caught, but even in the most minor of situations. As unbelievable as it may seem to some, avoiding punishment isn't the sole motivating factor in how some of us decide what is right and what is wrong. One might think that after a half century of living I would lose my idealism and my hope that others might gain a similar attitude, but I have to keep my personal ethics and standards high because I can't really expect others to be better than I try to be myself. For example, I can't begin to trust others unless I'm honest myself. And, being an honest person, I'll be the first to admit that I'm not perfect -- I make mistakes, I hurt others, I don't practice nearly enough, I speed when I drive, etc. -- but at least I try.
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Author: george
Date: 2005-07-26 16:27
My "instrument-on-the-wall-in-a-restaurant" story. A friend of mind who owned a restaurant had his place decorated with musical instruments. Well, he had my tenor sax in a glass case on his wall (I had quit playing many years before that.) . Some fellow tells the manager he wants to buy it and offers a lot of money (substantially more than my parents had paid for it when I was in high school). The manager tells him it's not for sale. A few weeks later the restaurant is broken into and the only thing stolen was my tenor. I guess some people won't take no for an answer.
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2005-07-27 00:31
A local restaurant is owned by the first Italian family to settle here. They arrived in the late 1700s with a sack of pots and pans and a dozen fiddles for their kids, who all played violin.
After establishing their innkeeping business in a livery stable area, the walls were decorated with the fiddles....The old barn was demolished after the decorations were removed (to make way for an Interstate Highway).
The new biz is now graced by the old fiddles that hang on the wall.
Their food is great. One thing I never understood. They use Cremora brand powdered creamer instead of coffee cream.
I asked why....The current scion explained that their family originated in Cremora(sic) Italy.
Wonder what he wants for the fiddles?
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
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Author: Brenda Siewert
Date: 2005-07-28 14:25
If you replace the mouthpiece with a Kaspar, as David B. suggested, please let me know the address of the Bennigan's.
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Author: Brenda Siewert
Date: 2005-07-28 21:12
Our town is getting a new Cracker Barrel (little slow to catch up with the world), and they're asking for antique things to be DONATED to the store. So, it's possible the aforementioned clarinet and mouthpiece didn't cost the store anything anyway. If they did, you can bet they didn't pay very much.
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