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Author: larry light
Date: 2005-07-14 01:15
I am interested in buying a Selmer Series 10 clarinet. I was curious to know
more about the Gigliotti series. I read in earlier posts that Gigliotti had personally selected 400 from the Paris factory and that they were then stamped with a G to comemorate this. But, just how many series G horns are there and is there anything special to denote the 4 hundred that were pesonally hand selected by A.Gigliotti? Wasn't the Selmer 10 series including the S and G series made throuhout the 1970s? Thanks for any HELP on this matter...............
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Author: nickma
Date: 2005-07-14 06:06
There's tons of postings on th 10G on the board - check them out, as all the issues are covered.
In a nutshell, Gigliotti worked with Selmer to create a clone of his Moenig-prepped R13, which was a late 50s model, to create an off the shelf model that his students (and everyone else) would be able to buy that attempted to minimise or deal with some of the R13s weaknesses.
The late X and Y series instruments were hand finished by a workshop set up by the great Ralph Morgan, then head tech at Selmer USA. From the D/E series onwards the 10G design changed. Cutouts were added underneath the lower joint cluster, a B&H 10-10 type adjuster was added to the F/ C pad below. Though these later designs are nice clarinets, they are not, IMHO, in the same league in terms of tone colour as the earlier ones. They sell for circa $1000 in the shops second hand.
I love 'em.
Nick
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Author: Synonymous Botch
Date: 2005-07-14 12:24
The first two years (X and Y series) were actually approved by the inestimable Anthony G his ownself.
Afterwards... who knows?
FYI - The selmer Series 10 (without the G suffix) is a more even-toned, well voiced instrument often available second hand for LESS than the 10 G.
My opinion is that the Series 9 clarinets in the same years (1975-1980) are among the best instruments Selmer made for the clarinet family but they are VERY distinct in sound.
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Author: larry light
Date: 2005-07-14 14:54
Thanks for the info on the Selmer horns. What do you mean the Selmer Series 9 horns have a different "distinct"sound than Series 10 horns? Also, I thought the Series 9 Selmers were made in the 1960' and the Series 10 beginning in the early 70's, was it's succesor.
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Author: RodRubber
Date: 2005-07-15 01:55
In fact, Mr. Gigliotti's personal set of clarinets was from the D/E Series, and i agree that the clarinets with later serial numbers are indeed different. I have played an N and M with superior results, as they still had in my opinion, a very even scale, and an excellent ringing tone. I still use the bells from those particular 10gs on a different set of 10gs that i am currently playing. I really think the selmer bells are excellent.
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Author: Synonymous Botch
Date: 2005-07-15 12:45
The series 9 has a larger internal diameter (bore) and no undercutting to the the toneholes. It can be VERY expressive in the right hands (not me, yet)...
I think the Series 10 is a refined version of the traditional "French" bore, around 14.75mm that is a little more flexible in blending with other instruments. That said, I sold my 10's and kept my 9!
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Author: Ken Mills
Date: 2005-07-15 23:00
Dear Larry; The first Series 10 came into my awareness in 1968 or 69. I bought one almost new for $125 because the owner did not like it. Indeed it was a not a good horn and the long pipe clarion notes were uneven and stuffy, I played others too. It could be ordered with extra mechanisms. The Series 10 G is good, it reminded me of an R-13 with its richer yet dark clarion register, and sweeter sound. I had it new in 1984 and had it outfitted with an aux Eb-Ab key because they were not available. I look for the best and that is what I do. They are higher pitched than the other brands, which is better as Selmer believes in softer reeds for free blowing.
The plain Series 10 is bad,
This is put in writing, so it better be true, Ken
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Author: Fred
Date: 2005-07-16 01:26
I disagree about declaring the Series 10 bad. I've got one that plays pretty well. Got a few Buffets I like better, but still a pretty good player. Maybe I got lucky . . .
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Author: Ken Mills
Date: 2005-07-16 21:39
Dear Fred; The plain Series 10, bad. Series 10 G, good. Series 10 S, I don't know. Why is the first one so cheap, because it plays like it. That is a law of the auction market. As I always say: Well, that's capitalism for you.
The Best, Kenny G
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